2019-2020 Kaiser (Tyson)

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politimed said:
Yup, it doesn’t say so in the email but on the website (linked in the WL email) says you have to email to accept the WL position.
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Wow

-5 points on the Holistic Medical School Rating Metric (HMSRM)TM essentially auto-reject when the school applies for top-tier applicants, unless the school has some unique x-factor EC like they run a snail racing farm, airbending class, or Nobel Winning 101. Like I've been saying, research/NIH funding metric only gets you through the door. What else do you have to offer? How do you treat your applicants? How do you stand out when other medical schools are paying their way into applicants? This is why I also encourage medical schools to apply broadly, not just the top tier applicants, luck of the draw. Unfortunately, through my years as an evaluator, most mission statements are generic and applicants only give a quick glance when evaluating apps before tossing the medical school into the reject pile.
 
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Any other WL’s or R’s go out since Tuesday? Was that everyone...?


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Since the adcom has to reconvene to re-evaluate all waitlisted applicants if/when a spot becomes available, do y’all think it’s safe to assume the WL is relatively small? I’m sure they don’t want to discuss hundreds of applicants each time...


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washhyyy said:
Since the adcom has to reconvene to re-evaluate all waitlisted applicants if/when a spot becomes available, do y’all think it’s safe to assume the WL is relatively small? I’m sure they don’t want to discuss hundreds of applicants each time...


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I mean, I hate to say it but, I think the WL is pretty large. SDN bias is a thing but so many people got a WL here I'd imagine the actual number is much higher
 
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Just got the R. Interviewed in February. Glad I got other offers in hand but really liked this school...
Guess the premed journey is over. Good luck to everyone in the future and hope you all succeed in becoming great doctors!
 
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Total tangent guys--has anyone been fruitful in finding contact information/emails for faculty at the school?
I've been able to go through schools' directories to find this info normally...but for KP nothing.

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Of the accepted students, are there any who have not received a merit scholarship covering cost of attendance in addition to tuition being waived?
 
Can anybody comment on the fact that since they aren't fully accredited accepted students will not be eligible for federal loans? I wasn't aware of this until today. Will the school take this into consideration for living since we would have to take out private loans?
 
Bigmedicineguy said:
Can anybody comment on the fact that since they aren't fully accredited accepted students will not be eligible for federal loans? I wasn't aware of this until today. Will the school take this into consideration for living since we would have to take out private loans?
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most students(it seems almost all) have received a stipend of 34,500 per year for living expenses. I personally won’t need to take any loans out, and I would think that is true of most people living on a budget of $2875/month,even in Pasadena.
 
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Bigmedicineguy said:
Can anybody comment on the fact that since they aren't fully accredited accepted students will not be eligible for federal loans? I wasn't aware of this until today. Will the school take this into consideration for living since we would have to take out private loans?
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That is correct, you won't be eligible for federal loans, but they do say that sallie mae is willing to work with students if they need a loan. Personally, I won't be taking out any loans because it's definitely manageable to live on 2875/month and our COL (and thus grant) increases by 3% each year so we will get more money each year to live off of.
 
washhyyy said:
If you don’t mind sharing, where will be going instead and how’d you make your decision? Just curious 🙂


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I'll be going to UTMB. If I get Baylor then I'll be going there.

When I applied to Kaiser I did not think I'd ever think I'd get in. When I did, I was thrilled, and I would probably have matriculated at Kaiser over my other OOS acceptances, until I prematched at UTMB. UTMB's IS cost of attendance is pretty low, I'll be next to family, and I'll be in my hometown again. These factors are very important to me.

A big problem for me was also Kaiser itself. My relatives in CA haven't had a good experience with them. I know Kaiser Permanente and the school are different animals, but I do not want to ever work for them, residency or otherwise.

The merit aid and COA for Kaiser was very tempting, but in the end, I realized I my heart wasn't in going to Kaiser. I don't think I would have been happy there. There was no point in dragging my feet about it, so I let Kaiser go.

With that being said, I've got not against the school, or those who choose to attend. I'm sure Kaiser will make some great doctors. 🙂
 
HelpICantDecide said:
Rejected post-II as well. Just want have some closing words to tag with yours because your post echos in my heart so much. First off, I want to thank Kaiser for having the courage to do what they did and for interviewing me and accepting and waitlisting so many wonderful candidates. I have no beef with any particular individual or the institution. I do, however, have concerns with the plan for the school that really bothered me and made me relieved to be rejected. You read that right.

You see, free medical school is bribery. I cannot, in good faith, choose the school that fits me the best when I literally have the option to pay nothing (not even CoL for some lucky folks). When I saw the layout for Kaiser's plan, I knew it would not work for me. 48 students?! What if one of them is insufferable? What if your cohort is a cricket-chirping fest? Does anyone not remember the pitfalls of small group learning? And this whole "clinical experience in the first few weeks" on top of relentless PBL/TBL makes me wonder how anyone learns preclinical basics. It sounded exhausting. But I stayed on because two words: free. school.

Next, there is the **** show of that anatomy teaching expo at the end of the interview. They showed me all this fancy VR/synthetic ****. I want to be a surgeon or at least know how to cut basic stuff. I need to cut. I need to cut a body. I need to suffer in a traditional anatomy lab, prosections at least. Anyone who has read When Breath Becomes Air immediately knows why this is a sacred rite of passage for the aspiring surgeon. If I wanted to be a medicine-based doc (IM, peds, etc.) in California, Kaiser would be perfect. I do not. But I stayed on because two words: free. school.

Lastly, Kaiser did something distinctly southern Californian that really bothered me. They offered a scenario where you work like a dog, live exceedingly healthily (yoga rooftop!), and are somehow not overwhelmed by the (sometimes literal) treadmill they put you on. Between the random clinical experiences and dauntless PBL, I don't know where the "study in my pajamas" part of med school is going to be. Guess what, that is what a lot of preclinicals is! You study in your pajamas, have oodles of time, and waste a small portion of it just being a flawed human being. Kaiser wants to change that but I think they are assuming too much strength out of young aspiring students. But I stayed on because two words: free. school.

Overall, I don't want to trash Kaiser. I want to trash a curriculum that I think will change dramatically. I think their first class will have a lot of roadblocks and pot holes and they are either going to become a mysterious elite med school for god-tier people or they are going to become the same old flipped-classroom BS fest that most of modern medical education is becoming. I think debt is important to consider. I also know that if you aren't going into a severely underpaid specialty and live poorly for a bit post-residency, med school debt is bearable relative to the debt most of America struggles with. If you come from an underprivileged background and think free med school is important enough to justify all these issues (or even better, like these changes Kaiser promotes) then by all means enjoy your KP education. But for me and maybe others, I am glad that they declined to bribe me and other applicants into a flawed and incomplete dream.

Cheers
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HelpICantDecide said:
Rejected post-II as well. Just want have some closing words to tag with yours because your post echos in my heart so much. First off, I want to thank Kaiser for having the courage to do what they did and for interviewing me and accepting and waitlisting so many wonderful candidates. I have no beef with any particular individual or the institution. I do, however, have concerns with the plan for the school that really bothered me and made me relieved to be rejected. You read that right.

You see, free medical school is bribery. I cannot, in good faith, choose the school that fits me the best when I literally have the option to pay nothing (not even CoL for some lucky folks). When I saw the layout for Kaiser's plan, I knew it would not work for me. 48 students?! What if one of them is insufferable? What if your cohort is a cricket-chirping fest? Does anyone not remember the pitfalls of small group learning? And this whole "clinical experience in the first few weeks" on top of relentless PBL/TBL makes me wonder how anyone learns preclinical basics. It sounded exhausting. But I stayed on because two words: free. school.

Next, there is the **** show of that anatomy teaching expo at the end of the interview. They showed me all this fancy VR/synthetic ****. I want to be a surgeon or at least know how to cut basic stuff. I need to cut. I need to cut a body. I need to suffer in a traditional anatomy lab, prosections at least. Anyone who has read When Breath Becomes Air immediately knows why this is a sacred rite of passage for the aspiring surgeon. If I wanted to be a medicine-based doc (IM, peds, etc.) in California, Kaiser would be perfect. I do not. But I stayed on because two words: free. school.

Lastly, Kaiser did something distinctly southern Californian that really bothered me. They offered a scenario where you work like a dog, live exceedingly healthily (yoga rooftop!), and are somehow not overwhelmed by the (sometimes literal) treadmill they put you on. Between the random clinical experiences and dauntless PBL, I don't know where the "study in my pajamas" part of med school is going to be. Guess what, that is what a lot of preclinicals is! You study in your pajamas, have oodles of time, and waste a small portion of it just being a flawed human being. Kaiser wants to change that but I think they are assuming too much strength out of young aspiring students. But I stayed on because two words: free. school.

Overall, I don't want to trash Kaiser. I want to trash a curriculum that I think will change dramatically. I think their first class will have a lot of roadblocks and pot holes and they are either going to become a mysterious elite med school for god-tier people or they are going to become the same old flipped-classroom BS fest that most of modern medical education is becoming. I think debt is important to consider. I also know that if you aren't going into a severely underpaid specialty and live poorly for a bit post-residency, med school debt is bearable relative to the debt most of America struggles with. If you come from an underprivileged background and think free med school is important enough to justify all these issues (or even better, like these changes Kaiser promotes) then by all means enjoy your KP education. But for me and maybe others, I am glad that they declined to bribe me and other applicants into a flawed and incomplete dream.

Cheers
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I respect your opinion on the curriculum (although I disagree on several points), but I don't think your use of the term bribery is not necessarily appropriate here. I suppose it's just arguing semantics but bribery has a heavily negative connotation and isn't the same as offering an incentive. The school is free and it is up for you to make an educated decision whether that is worth the cost-benefit analysis (which you clearly have!). I do not think it constitutes bribery because of the transparency that is being demonstrated. The fact that it is free is not under the table by any means and they are being fairly clear with what you can expect from the school, some of which you used to make your decision. Again, I respect your opinion and decision, just disagree with some semantics used
 
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