Howard University Info

[ChellyBean]

I was looking through my university's medical school guide and came across Howard University. I saw both the GPA and MCAT averages and was pleasantly surprised, seeing that I screwed up a few times as a first year. Does this mean that I have a better chance of getting into Howard University than a medical school in California? I also understand that Howard University traditionally been predominantly black does this mean as an Asian I'll be graded on a different criteria? I would love to learn more about Howard University.

Warm Regards

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[Corpsman Up]

That all depends on your stats. I also noticed that Howard has lower GPA and MCAT scores than a lot of other allo schools according to the 2010 MSAR, but am really thrown off by the "historically black" university. I personally refuse to give any application money to a school that has such a large percentage of one race. On the other hand, their website states that you only need a 22 MCAT to be compeitive and there is no residency requirement. I dont know if this is true or just a ploy to get more people to apply (and get more money). Either way, no thanks

 

[littlemissdr]

I was looking through my university's medical school guide and came across Howard University. I saw both the GPA and MCAT averages and was pleasantly surprised, seeing that I screwed up a few times as a first year. Does this mean that I have a better chance of getting into Howard University than a medical school in California? I also understand that Howard University traditionally been predominantly black does this mean as an Asian I'll be graded on a different criteria? I would love to learn more about Howard University.

Warm Regards

You will not be graded on a different criteria because of your race. I hope that wasn't a serious question.
And Howard is an excellent University, it all depends on what your looking for as far as a medical school program. You never know, there might be a chance for you in California.

 

[Lokhtar]

It's not about race - it's about meeting their mission statement. Studies have shown that applicants are something like 8x more likely to choose an area with similar ethnic and socioenomic backgrounds that they grew up in. So if you're a medical school, and your mission is to increase primary care in an urban area with 90+% black inhabitants, you're going to pick the people who it has been shown are most likely going to end up working in that area.

 

[miborovsky]

just a ploy to get more people to apply (and get more money)

Ding ding ding! 👍

 

[Corpsman Up]

It's not about race - it's about meeting their mission statement. Studies have shown that applicants are something like 8x more likely to choose an area with similar ethnic and socioenomic backgrounds that they grew up in. So if you're a medical school, and your mission is to increase primary care in an urban area with 90+% black inhabitants, you're going to pick the people who it has been shown are most likely going to end up working in that area.

Ok I see. I guess every medical school in an area where the majority of inhabitants are white should just start being "historically white" if they want graduates to stay in that area......

IMO, a school that gives more preference to one race over another is as bad as a school that won't accept someone based on the color of their skin

 

[chelala]

That all depends on your stats. I also noticed that Howard has lower GPA and MCAT scores than a lot of other allo schools according to the 2010 MSAR, but am really thrown off by the "historically black" university. I personally refuse to give any application money to a school that has such a large percentage of one race. On the other hand, their website states that you only need a 22 MCAT to be compeitive and there is no residency requirement. I dont know if this is true or just a ploy to get more people to apply (and get more money). Either way, no thanks

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You gave me a great laugh.

 

[Corpsman Up]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You gave me a great laugh.

And what was so amusing?

 

[meddie4546]

Ok I see. I guess every medical school in an area where the majority of inhabitants are white should just start being "historically white" if they want graduates to stay in that area......

IMO, a school that gives more preference to one race over another is as bad as a school that won't accept someone based on the color of their skin

Howard is historically black because once a upon a time it was one of the few schools that allowed blacks to receive a medical school education when other schools would not. If you do not want to go to a school that has more percentages of a certain race then don't bother applying....Howard is not forcing students to apply to their school. And they give every student an equal opportunity for admission into their med school regardless of race. The only reason why there are more black students than other races because they exhibit characteristics of their mission statement. Frankly, not many medical students practice in urban areas after residency.....that is why Howard wants to expand the number of PCP in urban areas and most of the students who want to practice in these urban areas tend to be black. They are not discriminating against any race....it is just a matter showing certain aspects of their mission such as volunteering at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter.

 

[TaylorMDhopeful]

It's not about race - it's about meeting their mission statement. Studies have shown that applicants are something like 8x more likely to choose an area with similar ethnic and socioenomic backgrounds that they grew up in. So if you're a medical school, and your mission is to increase primary care in an urban area with 90+% black inhabitants, you're going to pick the people who it has been shown are most likely going to end up working in that area.

+1. If you meet their mission statement and have activities and a passion that backs it up then apply. If you don't have the credentials (not talking about MCAT or GPA here) then don't apply because they will see right through it.

Ok I see. I guess every medical school in an area where the majority of inhabitants are white should just start being "historically white" if they want graduates to stay in that area......

IMO, a school that gives more preference to one race over another is as bad as a school that won't accept someone based on the color of their skin

And what was so amusing?

Your logic is pretty amusing actually. Firstly its not about the majority of the inhabitants being a certain color because if that were the case places like Penn med in very urban areas would be called "historically black" when they are not. Its about Blacks not being able to go to "historically white" schools back in the day so they established their own schools in order to learn and educate themselves. You say that you wouldn't apply to a school with a large proportion of a single race but that is most schools out there as minorities usually only command a percentage of about 10-15% at most schools if even that.

People of all races, creed, religions etc. are accepted to places like Howard, Meharry and Morehouse. They just have a larger proportion of minorities because of their mission statements and history for educating minority students, which is the reverse of the wide majority of medical schools out there. If you understand the mission and want to uphold it as a doctor, you will be accepted with everything else in line....doesnt matter if you are Black, White, Purple, atheist, baptist, whatever.

 

[meddie4546]

+1. If you meet their mission statement and have activities and a passion that backs it up then apply. If you don't have the credentials (not talking about MCAT or GPA here) then don't apply because they will see right through it.





Your logic is pretty amusing actually. Firstly its not about the majority of the inhabitants being a certain color because if that were the case places like Penn med in very urban areas would be called "historically black" when they are not. Its about Blacks not being able to go to "historically white" schools back in the day so they established their own schools in order to learn and educate themselves. You say that you wouldn't apply to a school with a large proportion of a single race but that is most schools out there as minorities usually only command a percentage of about 10-15% at most schools if even that.

People of all races, creed, religions etc. are accepted to places like Howard, Meharry and Morehouse. They just have a larger proportion of minorities because of their mission statements and history for educating minority students, which is the reverse of the wide majority of medical schools out there. If you understand the mission and want to uphold it as a doctor, you will be accepted with everything else in line....doesnt matter if you are Black, White, Purple, atheist, baptist, whatever.

Thank you....that was very well said!!!!

 

[Corpsman Up]

I am well aware of why a such schools were created, as well as the various frats/clubs/scholarships, etc. I personally wouldnt be comfortable applying to a school that labeled itself as "historically black" because, regardless of what their disclaimers might say, I don't feel I would be given an equal chance. If I was competing against a person with identical stats and ec's...but they were black (and im not) who do you think the "historically black" school would choose? And if you say our race wouldnt matter then you are a fool. Schools like that give preference to a race the same way in-state schools give preference to residents......after all, it was created for black people.

Personally, I am against any school, club, or scholarship that gives preference to a race or labels itself as a "black/asian/etc school. How would it be viewed if every other school in the country labeled itself "historically white"? I mean..historically speaking, it was a white school right?

I thought one of the biggest goals in society was to reduce/eliminate racism? How can we do that if preference is given to one race or the other? How can people consider themselves equal when scholarships are reserved specifically for people of a certain ethnic background?

 

[chelala]

Bless your sweet, slow soul.

 

[mdbound1987]

I am well aware of why a such schools were created, as well as the various frats/clubs/scholarships, etc. I personally wouldnt be comfortable applying to a school that labeled itself as "historically black" because, regardless of what their disclaimers might say, I don't feel I would be given an equal chance. If I was competing against a person with identical stats and ec's...but they were black (and im not) who do you think the "historically black" school would choose? And if you say our race wouldnt matter then you are a fool. Schools like that give preference to a race the same way in-state schools give preference to residents......after all, it was created for black people.

Personally, I am against any school, club, or scholarship that gives preference to a race or labels itself as a "black/asian/etc school. How would it be viewed if every other school in the country labeled itself "historically white"? I mean..historically speaking, it was a white school right?

I thought one of the biggest goals in society was to reduce/eliminate racism? How can we do that if preference is given to one race or the other? How can people consider themselves equal when scholarships are reserved specifically for people of a certain ethnic background?

Things are not equal today, so this is why there are special programs, scholarships, etc. for certain minority groups. So your solution of having equal treatment in this regard is irrational.

 

[Corpsman Up]

Things are not equal today, so this is why there are special programs, scholarships, etc. for certain minority groups. So your solution of having equal treatment in this regard is irrational.

These programs are one of the reasons things are not "equal". Special programs breed racism. Giving a scholarship to someone because of ethnicity gives others a reason to dislike them.

And thanks for pointing out that things are not equal and certain groups are not treated equally.......i know its unthinkable, but perhaps non-black people are not treated equally at black medical schools? That could never happen though, only white people would not allow someone into their school because of color...

 

[Corpsman Up]

Bless your sweet, slow soul.

tonight i will pray that you are one day able to open your eyes to the world around you.

 

[IvyHopeful20]

Ok I see. I guess every medical school in an area where the majority of inhabitants are white should just start being "historically white" if they want graduates to stay in that area......

IMO, a school that gives more preference to one race over another is as bad as a school that won't accept someone based on the color of their skin

If that area is underserved and the mission of that school is to increase access to that population, they definitely should. FTR, many rural schools do pick people from the area (predom. White).

 

[mdbound1987]

tonight i will pray that you are one day able to open your eyes to the world around you.

The thing is, whether it is your fault or not, you are ignorant to the lives of certain minority groups. You just have no idea what you are talking about because you have never experienced life as one of these minorities. So until you do or educate yourself on this topic, chelala's responses to you are perfectly sufficient.

 

[Corpsman Up]

The thing is, whether it is your fault or not, you are ignorant to the lives of certain minority groups. You just have no idea what you are talking about because you have never experienced life as one of these minorities. So until you do, chelala's responses to you are perfectly sufficient.

I find it sooo hard to believe that everyone on this thread is against the idea of being people treated equally. Forgive me, but I dont see how giving handouts to certain ethnic groups is in any way shape or form...equal.

I have had to work extremely hard to get my life to where it is now, and I do not sympathize with someone just because they are a certain color. I believe in being rewarded for hard work....not being rewarded because you are a certain color. I've experienced poverty my entire life, and I know how difficult it is to get out of the gutter, but it can be done without searching for handouts. How about people try succeeding in life because of merit and not color?

 

[Corpsman Up]

If that area is underserved and the mission of that school is to increase access to that population, they definitely should. FTR, many rural schools do pick people from the area (predom. White).

Howard University is in washington d.c.......40% of the population in D.C is white, nearly 10% is hispanic. So roughly 50% of the population is not black. according to you, the demographics of the school should be proportional to that of the city? hmmm

 

[TaylorMDhopeful]

I find it sooo hard to believe that everyone on this thread is against the idea of being people treated equally. Forgive me, but I dont see how giving handouts to certain ethnic groups is in any way shape or form...equal.

I have had to work extremely hard to get my life to where it is now, and I do not sympathize with someone just because they are a certain color. I believe in being rewarded for hard work....not being rewarded because you are a certain color. I've experienced poverty my entire life, and I know how difficult it is to get out of the gutter, but it can be done without searching for handouts. How about people try succeeding in life because of merit and not color?

What do you consider a handout? Getting into medical school with an MCAT or GPA that is deemed by you to be low? There are people of all races and ethnic groups that get into medical school with low mcat and gpas. It may seem more pronounced because of the small number of underrepresented minorities applying to medical school but there are many more asian and caucasian applicants that get in with a below 30 MCAT and below 3.6 GPA just because of the sheer number of asian and caucasian applicants versus underrepresented minorities.

In addition, MCAT and GPA do not tell the whole picture of an applicant. We can stare at numbers all we want but applicants are not only numbers. There is a story to every person and its up to the adcom to decide whether or not they believe that given the information they have that they could succeed at their medical school. GPA is arbitrary because of so many compounding factors like school difficulty, professor attitude, class composition etc. The MCAT does not tell how well a student will do in medical school. As a predictor of future success, it is a pretty weak one. That is why the interview, activities and letter of recs are used to help decide if this student is "worthy" of a seat at X medical school.

Every person who applies to medical school has the opportunity to tell the tale of their hardships and difficulties and passion. If someone is disadvantaged then they should put it, regardless of race or background. Aside from a second look for a interview at some medical schools, what handouts are minorities receiving? Being URM, like LizzyM and other people have said, only can get you to a certain point (the interview). It is up to you to wow the interviewer and state your case for yourself. If a URM has a seat in a medical school it wasn't a seat he/she stole from anyone, they deserved the seat and worked for it.

Also, as another point, URMs are given extra consideration because we need a physician workforce that mirrors the population. People are usually more comfortable with people of their background (yes, it sucks but people are only human). We need more minority doctors to man not only the urban clinics and underrepresented area hospitals but all specialties so we could be truly representative of the population.

My 2 cents...

 

[mdbound1987]

Howard University is in washington d.c.......40% of the population in D.C is white, nearly 10% is hispanic. So roughly 50% of the population is not black. according to you, the demographics of the school should be proportional to that of the city? hmmm

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[mdbound1987]

Howard University is in washington d.c.......40% of the population in D.C is white, nearly 10% is hispanic. So roughly 50% of the population is not black. according to you, the demographics of the school should be proportional to that of the city? hmmm

I can't even respond to your response to my post...you just don't get it and it would take a semester-long class for you to understand. Anyways, once non-minorities get accepted to med school, they do not worry about this issue anymore. How many times do you see a race topic arise in the medical school forum? Never. This shows that people like you bring this up over and over again until you get what you need, an acceptance, and then you move on with your life and forget about the cause you were pretending to fight for. As for the above statement, Howard and Morehouse are in the hood which are comprised of predominantly African-Americans. D.C. as a whole has nothing to do with it.

 

[mdbound1987]

What do you consider a handout? Getting into medical school with an MCAT or GPA that is deemed by you to be low? There are people of all races and ethnic groups that get into medical school with low mcat and gpas. It may seem more pronounced because of the small number of underrepresented minorities applying to medical school but there are many more asian and caucasian applicants that get in with a below 30 MCAT and below 3.6 GPA just because of the sheer number of asian and caucasian applicants versus underrepresented minorities.

In addition, MCAT and GPA do not tell the whole picture of an applicant. We can stare at numbers all we want but applicants are not only numbers. There is a story to every person and its up to the adcom to decide whether or not they believe that given the information they have that they could succeed at their medical school. GPA is arbitrary because of so many compounding factors like school difficulty, professor attitude, class composition etc. The MCAT does not tell how well a student will do in medical school. As a predictor of future success, it is a pretty weak one. That is why the interview, activities and letter of recs are used to help decide if this student is "worthy" of a seat at X medical school.

Every person who applies to medical school has the opportunity to tell the tale of their hardships and difficulties and passion. If someone is disadvantaged then they should put it, regardless of race or background. Aside from a second look for a interview at some medical schools, what handouts are minorities receiving? Being URM, like LizzyM and other people have said, only can get you to a certain point (the interview). It is up to you to wow the interviewer and state your case for yourself. If a URM has a seat in a medical school it wasn't a seat he/she stole from anyone, they deserved the seat and worked for it.

Also, as another point, URMs are given extra consideration because we need a physician workforce that mirrors the population. People are usually more comfortable with people of their background (yes, it sucks but people are only human). We need more minority doctors to man not only the urban clinics and underrepresented area hospitals but all specialties so we could be truly representative of the population.

My 2 cents...

+1. Very well said.

 

[Corpsman Up]

What do you consider a handout? Getting into medical school with an MCAT or GPA that is deemed by you to be low? There are people of all races and ethnic groups that get into medical school with low mcat and gpas. It may seem more pronounced because of the small number of underrepresented minorities applying to medical school but there are many more asian and caucasian applicants that get in with a below 30 MCAT and below 3.6 GPA just because of the sheer number of asian and caucasian applicants versus underrepresented minorities.

In addition, MCAT and GPA do not tell the whole picture of an applicant. We can stare at numbers all we want but applicants are not only numbers. There is a story to every person and its up to the adcom to decide whether or not they believe that given the information they have that they could succeed at their medical school. GPA is arbitrary because of so many compounding factors like school difficulty, professor attitude, class composition etc. The MCAT does not tell how well a student will do in medical school. As a predictor of future success, it is a pretty weak one. That is why the interview, activities and letter of recs are used to help decide if this student is "worthy" of a seat at X medical school.

Every person who applies to medical school has the opportunity to tell the tale of their hardships and difficulties and passion. If someone is disadvantaged then they should put it, regardless of race or background. Aside from a second look for a interview at some medical schools, what handouts are minorities receiving? Being URM, like LizzyM and other people have said, only can get you to a certain point (the interview). It is up to you to wow the interviewer and state your case for yourself. If a URM has a seat in a medical school it wasn't a seat he/she stole from anyone, they deserved the seat and worked for it.

Also, as another point, URMs are given extra consideration because we need a physician workforce that mirrors the population. People are usually more comfortable with people of their background (yes, it sucks but people are only human). We need more minority doctors to man not only the urban clinics and underrepresented area hospitals but all specialties so we could be truly representative of the population.

My 2 cents...

I thought this was very well put and I agree with most of what you are saying. My only tiff with it is the part about "Aside from a second look for a interview at some medical schools, what handouts are minorities receiving?"...why should someone receive a second look because of ethnicity?

Also, the part about "needing a physician workforce that mirrors the population"...please see my other post about d.c demographics

 

[Corpsman Up]

I can't even respond to your response to my post...you just don't get it and it would take a semester-long class for you to understand. Anyways, once non-minorities get accepted to med school, they do not worry about this issue anymore. How many times do you see a race topic arise in the medical school forum? Never. This shows that people like you bring this up over and over again until you get what you need, an acceptance, and then you move on with your life and forget about the cause you were pretending to fight for. As for the above statement, Howard and Morehouse are in the hood which are comprised of predominantly African-Americans. D.C. as a whole has nothing to do with it.

So now we are not looking at the demographics of the city in which the school is located, only the neighborhood?

 

[Lokhtar]

So now we are not looking at the demographics of the city in which the school is located, only the neighborhood?

We're looking at fulfilling the mission of the school. If rich white areas are underserved and desperately in need of medical care, that's what adcoms would look for.

 

[Corpsman Up]

If everyone could please list for me all the reasons that make this reverse racism acceptable, i would really appreciate it. I dont wanna look up the ethnic breakdown of "the hood" as it was called, to find out that it has more hispanics or whites or whatever and have someone say "no, howard is located on 3rd street in the hood, and thats all african americans, so there!"

im still kinda shocked that nobody on here believes in equal treatment

 

[chelala]

When did people start throwing out the phrase "reverse racism?" I've always wondered about this buzz word.

 

[Elpenor]

It's not fair, but that is life.

Just worry about yourself.

 

[Lokhtar]

When people realized they now had to be in the closet about their privilege.

 

[Lokhtar]

If everyone could please list for me all the reasons that make this reverse racism acceptable, i would really appreciate it. I dont wanna look up the ethnic breakdown of "the hood" as it was called, to find out that it has more hispanics or whites or whatever and have someone say "no, howard is located on 3rd street in the hood, and thats all african americans, so there!"

im still kinda shocked that nobody on here believes in equal treatment

So your mission is to increase primary care in the inner city, what criteria would you use?

 

[mdbound1987]

If everyone could please list for me all the reasons that make this reverse racism acceptable, i would really appreciate it. I dont wanna look up the ethnic breakdown of "the hood" as it was called, to find out that it has more hispanics or whites or whatever and have someone say "no, howard is located on 3rd street in the hood, and thats all african americans, so there!"

im still kinda shocked that nobody on here believes in equal treatment

I visited Howard years ago and the hood it was located in was predominantly black, but if that has changed, someone please correct me. I attended Morehouse College for undergrad and the med school is practically right next door. I can 100% say that in my 4 years at Morehouse for undergrad, I probably saw a total of 5 white people in that area walking around. It is a black community. As for enlightening you on "reverse racism" as you label it, I don't have the time or patience to give you all the specific reasons, but if someone else does, I will comment. However, I will say this...things are not equal for minorities today whether you want to believe it or not. So let's think of it like this...if whites are (on a 1-10 scale) at an 8 in terms of status due to prejudices in this country and african-americans, for example, are at a 2, what makes you think it's fair to leave things how they are? By creating programs, scholarships, etc., this is addressing the issue and helping to bring that 2 higher in order to provide change. Let's be real, minorities seeking a profession in medicine deal with racism their entire lives until it comes to the med school admissions process (in your mind, except it isn't racism if you understand the point of URM as stated above by someone else) and then have to deal with it for the rest of their lives after med school admissions. Minorities would have to be twice as good as any white physician in order to get the same respect in the medical field, or any field for that matter, and this would occur even if URM status did not apply. White people do not deal with "racism" until the one moment in time known as med school admissions. If minorities can deal with racism their entire lives, you can suck it up and deal with it for one application cycle. I am guessing that you are not racist and see the issue through your eyes and how you feel about minorities, but you need to understand that you do not speak for most non-URMs and this is where the disparity occurs.

 

[iceman55]

That all depends on your stats. I also noticed that Howard has lower GPA and MCAT scores than a lot of other allo schools according to the 2010 MSAR, but am really thrown off by the "historically black" university. I personally refuse to give any application money to a school that has such a large percentage of one race. On the other hand, their website states that you only need a 22 MCAT to be compeitive and there is no residency requirement. I dont know if this is true or just a ploy to get more people to apply (and get more money). Either way, no thanks

This is funny because most medical schools are at least 70% white...I would like to see your list of schools.

 

[bold text]

This is funny because most medical schools are at least 70% white...I would like to see your list of schools.

Delusion University School of Medicine is probably included on that list.

 

[morning]

I find it sooo hard to believe that everyone on this thread is against the idea of being people treated equally. Forgive me, but I dont see how giving handouts to certain ethnic groups is in any way shape or form...equal.

The MISSION of the HBCU medical schools is to provide physicians for underserved BLACK communities. If you have a history of serving and working with the black community and can coherently elucidate why and how you will serve the black community in the future, you will be considered, whether you're white or black. It just so happens that the people who have those characteristics and appear more authentic in that regard are generally black.

 

[298609]

When did people start throwing out the phrase "reverse racism?" I've always wondered about this buzz word.

it's actually a nonsense word. racism refers to the belief that one race is superior to others. racism is racism.

Delusion University School of Medicine is probably included on that list.

their secondary is a dream 🙄






who called this thread is going to AA debate in the next page? i did when i saw the title this morning.

 

[riceman04]

tonight i will pray that you are one day able to open your eyes to the world around you.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

You making this statement along with several others you've already made is oxymoronic at best.

You've given me a great laugh! Please keep it up. Better yet, please come to UCSD so I can laugh at you every day. You'd stick out like a sore thumb if you are as bold and opinionated as you are in person.

 

[ChellyBean]

Hello Everyone,
I should have been more clear with my original post. I feel terrible that I wrote a post that made everyone so agitated. What I wanted to ask was that I just currently finished my first year at UCI and I did not do well. I earned a 2.745 GPA. I know that to be competitive I must have at least a 3.6. I feel that this screw up has hindered my chances of applying to a medical school in California and I am now extending my search out of state. When I came across Howard University it was like seeing a second chance. I've been to Washington, D.C. before and I enjoyed spending time at the capitol, so I assumed that this will be my new goal. When I found that it was a historically black university I was unsure as to what it meant and wanted to ask the community what it really meant.

So, my question is that just because I am Asian does it mean that my chances of being accepted into Howard are far less greater than my peers? Is an Asian considered a minority?

Warm Regards

 

[Corpsman Up]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

You making this statement along with several others you've already made is oxymoronic at best.

You've given me a great laugh! Please keep it up. Better yet, please come to UCSD so I can laugh at you every day. You'd stick out like a sore thumb if you are as bold and opinionated as you are in person.

I'm glad that my desire for equality is comical to you

 

[Corpsman Up]

The MISSION of the HBCU medical schools is to provide physicians for underserved BLACK communities. If you have a history of serving and working with the black community and can coherently elucidate why and how you will serve the black community in the future, you will be considered, whether you're white or black. It just so happens that the people who have those characteristics and appear more authentic in that regard are generally black.

Underserved communites need primary care providers, no doubt. But why do you suppose their mission is to provide docs for underserved BLACK communties? Why not just underserved communities in the area? The mission of Ohio University isnt to provide primary care docs for underserved WHITE communities in the area (which the rural midwest area is by far predom white). I guess because its a privately funded school its ok to give preference to one race over another?

 

[somepremedkid]

Can we all just return back to the OP's question and stop arguing about URM status and the mission of historically black medical schools?

 

[Corpsman Up]

Hello Everyone,
I should have been more clear with my original post. I feel terrible that I wrote a post that made everyone so agitated. What I wanted to ask was that I just currently finished my first year at UCI and I did not do well. I earned a 2.745 GPA. I know that to be competitive I must have at least a 3.6. I feel that this screw up has hindered my chances of applying to a medical school in California and I am now extending my search out of state. When I came across Howard University it was like seeing a second chance. I've been to Washington, D.C. before and I enjoyed spending time at the capitol, so I assumed that this will be my new goal. When I found that it was a historically black university I was unsure as to what it meant and wanted to ask the community what it really meant.

So, my question is that just because I am Asian does it mean that my chances of being accepted into Howard are far less greater than my peers? Is an Asian considered a minority?

Warm Regards

As it states in the MSAR, Howard considered applicants based on academic achievements, mcat, and desire to serve in underserved areas..not on sex or race.

According to many people on the thread though, they are looking for people that are willing to practice in underserved black areas. if you wish to attend a school that gives that kind of preference to one race, then apply. Howard has some of the lowest GPA and MCAT scores that i have come across.

Good luck

 

[Corpsman Up]

Im done talking about this. IMO, most of you are no different than the white people of the 1950's that felt they should have their own drinking fountain. have your own schools, clubs, and scholarships. keep segregating yourselves. my whole point was that all applicants and communites should be treated the same regardless of race or sex. a qualified applicant is a qualified applicant, an underserved area is an underserved area...regardless of color. you should try to come to terms with that

 

[Barcu]

Hello Everyone,
I should have been more clear with my original post. I feel terrible that I wrote a post that made everyone so agitated. What I wanted to ask was that I just currently finished my first year at UCI and I did not do well. I earned a 2.745 GPA. I know that to be competitive I must have at least a 3.6. I feel that this screw up has hindered my chances of applying to a medical school in California and I am now extending my search out of state. When I came across Howard University it was like seeing a second chance. I've been to Washington, D.C. before and I enjoyed spending time at the capitol, so I assumed that this will be my new goal. When I found that it was a historically black university I was unsure as to what it meant and wanted to ask the community what it really meant.

So, my question is that just because I am Asian does it mean that my chances of being accepted into Howard are far less greater than my peers? Is an Asian considered a minority?

Warm Regards

Asian is not considered a minority, but again, Howard selects based on willingness to serve in underserved communities. If that applies to you, go ahead and apply.

Just fyi, looking in MSAR:

67/106 matriculants last year were black

The rest were other races (including 19 total Asians)

Don't let this idea of only accepting certain races both you. It is more about the mission than anything else. The school is more attractive to black applicants. However, they are not given preferential treatment.

Edit: I meant bother you, not both you.

 

[Lokhtar]

Im done talking about this. IMO, most of you are no different than the white people of the 1950's that felt they should have their own drinking fountain. have your own schools, clubs, and scholarships. keep segregating yourselves. my whole point was that all applicants and communites should be treated the same regardless of race or sex. a qualified applicant is a qualified applicant, an underserved area is an underserved area...regardless of color. you should try to come to terms with that

And your criteria to pick people to serve your mission to increase access in the inner cities would be?

 

[Don Draper]

Don't let this idea of only accepting certain races both you. It is more about the mission than anything else. The school is more attractive to black applicants. However, they are not given preferential treatment.

Let's be honest. Black students are preferred at these schools. No matter what anyone says.

To say otherwise is to be delusional. It would be like saying that managers don't hire attractive secretaries, but the most qualified. While there are shades of truth to that, we all know what easily determines the tie breakers.

 

[Barcu]

Let's be honest. Black students are preferred at these schools. No matter what anyone says.

To say otherwise is to be delusional. It would be like saying that managers don't hire attractive secretaries, but the most qualified. While there are shades of truth to that, we all know what easily determines the tie breakers.

You are right. However, I quoted the stats to say that not being black does not disqualify you (67/106 is actually a lower % than I would have predicted).

There is hope, but you may want to work for better stats than the average accepted to really feel like a good candidate.

 

[ChellyBean]

Asian is not considered a minority, but again, Howard selects based on willingness to serve in underserved communities. If that applies to you, go ahead and apply.

Just fyi, looking in MSAR:

67/106 matriculants last year were black

The rest were other races (including 19 total Asians)

Don't let this idea of only accepting certain races both you. It is more about the mission than anything else. The school is more attractive to black applicants. However, they are not given preferential treatment.

Edit: I meant bother you, not both you.

Thank you so much Barcu! This is by far the best answer!

 

[Corpsman Up]

And your criteria to pick people to serve your mission to increase access in the inner cities would be?

If you could please direct me to a legit site that shows how many of the people at this school actually graduate and practice in "the hood", I would really appreciate it. With the primary care shortage continuing and inner city practices not increasing, I would have to say their mission hasnt been too successful