2011-2012 Washington University in St. Louis Application Thread

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Nope, it's not really a separate cost anyway. It's all just part of the tuition we pay. But it's pretty awesome health insurance so I wouldn't want to opt out anyway.

Great thanks!

I've heard a lot of students do research during the summer between first and second year. Any idea what portion of first and second year students do research during the school year?

Also, since fourth year starts around mid-June, do students usually try to fit their (up to 3) research electives at the beginning, so that it's before residency apps?

Any other opportunities to do research without taking a gap year?
 
As for medical instruments, you'll need a stethoscope (can be ~$250+), a reflex hammer ($30), and a tuning fork (<$30). They highly recommend that you buy an ophthalmoscope, the nice ones called 'Panoptics' can be >$500 if my memory serves me correct. Of my circle of 7 buddies and I, only one of us bought one and it wasn't even the nice one. All of the hospital rooms and standardized patient suites have them built into the exam rooms, so there is really no need to have one until you are on an opthomology rotation during third year. Thus, $950 for medial instruments is more like $500, and that's a one-time expense unless you lose or break something (and I'm pretty sure the nice stethoscopes have lifetime warrantees that even cover complete destruction like getting run over by a car). For anatomy, though, you need gloves of your size and scalpels (both sold in the bookstore and cost next to nothing).

As for books, WashU really doesn't require many books at all. Two anatomy books are required (classic 'big' Netter's and the dissection guide = total of $100). Just about everyone gets Costanzo's 'Physiology', it's a really great learning and reference book (few books are both) and only $50. Other than that, people often tend to pick up a histology book and an embryology book. A lot of books can be bought from upperclassmen for very cheap, and there's a book hand-down sometime in the fall each year.

Second year you will definitely spend a good deal more money than $650 on school resources. I'd say that a good fraction of the class budgets close to $1000 if not more for the Step 1 boards ($525 to take the test, plus question banks/practice tests and 3-4 review books).

Okay, great! Thanks for the run-down!
 
Any idea what portion of first and second year students do research during the school year?

The beginning of first year is definitely a time to learn the basics of anatomy, physiology, and histology, in addition to getting comfortable in a new city and making tons of new friends. A few MSTPs who had productive research rotations during the summer before first year may continue their work into first year, but it's not the norm.

The last third of first year starts to provide you more and more free time, and since you've already spent months socializing, a number of people start their summer projects as early as February or March. That said, if you found something you wanted to work on throughout the entirety of first year, you'd definitely have the time to put in 10+ hours per week depending on how much you need to / want to study.

Second year is a different story. It's VERY busy with lots of class. You learn a TON and there are exams pretty frequently, so doing wet lab work is very rare except for people who probably don't care about their grades or simply have amazing projects that they would never put on the back burner. For the few people that take a full year of research between first and second year, these folks are more likely to continue working into second year in order to finish up their projects, not start something new. Given the added time commitment of dedicated Step 1 boards studying on top of regular classwork, you'll be pretty busy.

Also, since fourth year starts around mid-June, do students usually try to fit their (up to 3) research electives at the beginning, so that it's before residency apps?

For 4th year, people tend to put their strongest or most important rotations first, and sometimes that's research, other times not. Sub-I's in medicine are very popular and serve as a good way to get especially strong letters for residency, so often people do these early in fourth year. If you feel that extra research time will benefit your application the most, then you should do that early on, but I haven't heard of that being very common.

Instead, people usually put their research blocks during their residency interview months. For non-wet lab research, you can still be relatively productive while traveling for interviews. Having to tell your in-patient resident/attending team you'll be missing lots of time for interviews is not the easiest discussion to have.

That said, given how variably tiring or motivating/awesome third year can be, there's a wide range of sentiments regarding how busy one's fourth year should be. A common piece of advice given to fourth years on match day is to get as much sleep as possible between today and your first day of internship.
 
The beginning of first year is definitely a time to learn the basics of anatomy, physiology, and histology, in addition to getting comfortable in a new city and making tons of new friends. A few MSTPs who had productive research rotations during the summer before first year may continue their work into first year, but it's not the norm.

The last third of first year starts to provide you more and more free time, and since you've already spent months socializing, a number of people start their summer projects as early as February or March. That said, if you found something you wanted to work on throughout the entirety of first year, you'd definitely have the time to put in 10+ hours per week depending on how much you need to / want to study.

Second year is a different story. It's VERY busy with lots of class. You learn a TON and there are exams pretty frequently, so doing wet lab work is very rare except for people who probably don't care about their grades or simply have amazing projects that they would never put on the back burner. For the few people that take a full year of research between first and second year, these folks are more likely to continue working into second year in order to finish up their projects, not start something new. Given the added time commitment of dedicated Step 1 boards studying on top of regular classwork, you'll be pretty busy.

Great! I'll play it by ear but plan on holding off starting research at least until around February or March.

For 4th year, people tend to put their strongest or most important rotations first, and sometimes that's research, other times not. Sub-I's in medicine are very popular and serve as a good way to get especially strong letters for residency, so often people do these early in fourth year. If you feel that extra research time will benefit your application the most, then you should do that early on, but I haven't heard of that being very common.

Instead, people usually put their research blocks during their residency interview months. For non-wet lab research, you can still be relatively productive while traveling for interviews. Having to tell your in-patient resident/attending team you'll be missing lots of time for interviews is not the easiest discussion to have.

That said, given how variably tiring or motivating/awesome third year can be, there's a wide range of sentiments regarding how busy one's fourth year should be. A common piece of advice given to fourth years on match day is to get as much sleep as possible between today and your first day of internship.

Makes sense, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the thorough response! Very helpful as usual 🙂
 
Um, hi, everyone. I need help. I am on the fence between three schools and time's running out.

WashU is obviously a great school, though I don't think I'm a research person and I'm not sure how I'd feel about being middle-to-bottom of my class in a place that's still top dog nationally. Wisconsin made me feel loved and happy when I interviewed and visited on second look weekend. Minnesota's med school is pretty good too and gave me a wad of free money, but its biggest selling point to me remains the fact that I'd be able to live with extended family, with whom I've got a great relationship and will be comfortable.

All the apartment-chatter I just saw on sdn made me sick to my stomach - ptsd from living with random roommates and "friends" during undergrad and time off, horrendous experiences living on my own and trying to navigate the apartment market. It pretty much ruined my undergrad and made me do worse in school that I would've otherwise. I don't want to uproot myself yet again and move into yet another anonymous space with people I don't know, much less in a new town. I want to live in a real home with people who care and make me home-cooked meals, where I can feel safe, because that kind of stability helps me do well.

Is it all normal or legitimate to choose a school based on living arrangement options? Should I just suck it up and hope it'll be different this time?

PM's welcome. I honestly might just end up picking out of a hat if I don't get more input...
 
Great! I'll play it by ear but plan on holding off starting research at least until around February or March.

Just so you know, I started looking for/found my research mentor in Sept/Oct (first year) and started working on my project then. But I'm doing clinical research, so my time is much, much more flexible than lab work usually is.
 
Um, hi, everyone. I need help. I am on the fence between three schools and time's running out.

WashU is obviously a great school, though I don't think I'm a research person and I'm not sure how I'd feel about being middle-to-bottom of my class in a place that's still top dog nationally. Wisconsin made me feel loved and happy when I interviewed and visited on second look weekend. Minnesota's med school is pretty good too and gave me a wad of free money, but its biggest selling point to me remains the fact that I'd be able to live with extended family, with whom I've got a great relationship and will be comfortable.

All the apartment-chatter I just saw on sdn made me sick to my stomach - ptsd from living with random roommates and "friends" during undergrad and time off, horrendous experiences living on my own and trying to navigate the apartment market. It pretty much ruined my undergrad and made me do worse in school that I would've otherwise. I don't want to uproot myself yet again and move into yet another anonymous space with people I don't know, much less in a new town. I want to live in a real home with people who care and make me home-cooked meals, where I can feel safe, because that kind of stability helps me do well.

Is it all normal or legitimate to choose a school based on living arrangement options? Should I just suck it up and hope it'll be different this time?

PM's welcome. I honestly might just end up picking out of a hat if I don't get more input...

As a waitlistee I'm biased, but I would suggest go where you'll be happiest. If you'll be happiest near extended family, do that. If you feel like you should strike it out on your own, go for it.
 
Have merit scholarships been decided?

I just got a call from Dean Dodson about a half-tuition scholarship! 🙂soexcited:!!) because apparently some other people who were given scholarships have withdrawn. So it sounds like there's still some scholarships that they're working with.

Related to that, I already received some generous need-based scholarships, but if I understand things correctly, this merit-scholarship will only reduce my loans, correct?
 
I just got a call from Dean Dodson about a half-tuition scholarship! 🙂soexcited:!!) because apparently some other people who were given scholarships have withdrawn. So it sounds like there's still some scholarships that they're working with.

Related to that, I already received some generous need-based scholarships, but if I understand things correctly, this merit-scholarship will only reduce my loans, correct?

Most likely not. The way need-based scholarship works is they take tuition minus what they think you can pay and give you half in scholarship, usually. So this would significantly increase the amount they think you can pay. They'd just recalculate from there.

That is, if they haven't changed the system in 2 years.
 
Does anyone know if there has been any wait-list movement yet? Or if there is going to be any in the future?
 
Does anyone know if there has been any wait-list movement yet? Or if there is going to be any in the future?

I just sent in my withdrawal so I hope you (or anyone else on the WL) gets a call soon!
 
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I just sent in my withdrawal so I hope you (or anyone else on the WL) gets a call soon!

Does anyone know how to get back our deposit?

Oh please let it be me!

I'm know, I'm a whiner. But thank you for withdrawing! I hope you are going someplace awesome!
 
I GOT A CALL FROM DEAN DODSON THIS MORNINGGGG!! I'm going!!!! AAAH soo happy right now 🙂
 
Also got the phone call! I am so excited!!!!! 🙂 Congrats Caltechgirl
 
Congrats! 🙂 Hopefully all of us WashU hopefuls will hear some positive news in the upcoming days. 😀
 
Congrats on the admissions, guys!!

For off-campus housing, I'd refer to the Dis-Orientation guide. It has a lot of info on the places most students live.
 
Just withdrew my spot. Good luck to those waiting!
 
Good luck guys for tomorrow!! 🙂 I am sure that WashU is the top choice for a whole lot of us! 😀
 
I'm sure that I'm reading too much into this, but I just got an e-mail from the admissions office asking if I wish to remain on the waitlist. I'm not sure if that's a good sign, bad sign, or if it doesn't give me any indication at all. Damn this stressful process. It's crazy making! 😛
 
good luck guys! btw I had written them a letter of intent before I got pulled off the waitlist.
 
I also wrote several letters of intent since March before I got pulled off the waitlist. If you are really serious about WashU and it really is your first choice, write to them and let them know what you have been up to and that they are still your #1!! Good luck, everyone!
 
good luck to everyone who really wants to go here :luck::xf: I'm pullin' for ya.

I hope to meet everyone who's been/gets accepted at WUMP in August 😀
 
I also wrote several letters of intent since March before I got pulled off the waitlist. If you are really serious about WashU and it really is your first choice, write to them and let them know what you have been up to and that they are still your #1!! Good luck, everyone!

I totally agree!!! I wrote a letter to them last week, and I got the call from Dean Dodson 2 days later! It really makes a difference 🙂 good luck everyone!!!
 
Just withdraw from my waitlist. WashU is a fantastic school without a doubt. I loved the city and the people (still one of the most friendly cities I have ever had the pleasure of going to). Unfortunately, due to personal health issues, I have decided to go somewhere closer to home. I wish you of you (accepted students and waitlistees) the very best. 😀
 
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Has the application for WUMP been sent out? I haven't received anything yet...
 
Has the application for WUMP been sent out? I haven't received anything yet...

I don't believe so. Room 100 was waiting until late this week or early next week to send it out so more of the people accepted off the waitlist were emailed as well.
 
Congrats to all those who got the call!
I just have one quick question. When writing the letter of intent, do you send the email to Dr. Dodson directly or to the wumscoa email address?
Again, congratulations!
 
I personally wrote one to wumscoa email address. good luck!
 
Does anyone know if they have made most of their calls already? I am not seeing many people posting about being accepted off the wait list, especially since the 15th.
 
They gave people with offers on the 15th until the 24th to respond, so i assume there will be more calls going out after the 24th if some people decline their offer.
 
They gave people with offers on the 15th until the 24th to respond, so i assume there will be more calls going out after the 24th if some people decline their offer.

Any good news out there on wait-list movement? Or are we still in limbo as to whether there are any more seats still being offered at Wash U...

And will there be a mass email sent out to everyone on the waitlist when this year's class is officially full? Still keeping up the hope!
 
I am also curious, I see that people get in on the 11th did anyone get in on the 15th? Also about how many get in off the waitlist each year anyone know numbers?
 
I am also curious, I see that people get in on the 11th did anyone get in on the 15th? Also about how many get in off the waitlist each year anyone know numbers?

About 1/3 of the class gets in off the waitlist any given year
 
I got an offer yesterday 5/23 and was given until 5/31 to decide
 
me too! no relation to poster above but i'm glad I've finally come across another future med student who is well-versed in Organometallic Chemistry.
 
We may not agree with the spelling, but we can leave that to the English majors!
 
Congrats everyone! Cinclus, are you coming to washu?? 🙂
 
I just got the call from Dr. Dodson! What an honor to have been accepted to Wash U!

Congratulations!!! I'm so happy for you - I've been rooting as well 🙂 I hope you'll be joining us!
 
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