2012-2013 Saint Louis University Application Thread

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spacmanspif300 said:
No acceptances today, I see. I was a Dec. 11 interviewee, told to wait "4 to 6 weeks". I hope that holds true, the wait is killing me.
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PreMedOrDead said:
Note that "4 to 6 weeks" for a December interview really means "7 to 9 weeks" for schools because of the three week holiday break. Although they could play 'catch up' to get back sooner, I would expect early January would be a fairer estimate. Sorry 🙁
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BlackSwan said:
For everyone anxious to hear back, read JDOC13's posts.

The committee meets every Wednesday during interview season, and applicants reviewed that day usually get their decisions the next day.

The amount of time you wait post-interview hinges entirely on when your interviewer provides the committee with their feedback. The amount of time post-interview isn't a reflection of your interview performance.
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I do think you have to give them more time considering Christmas break is in there.

I was interviewed at the very end of October. I was accepted on Jan 2 - Wednesday morning. The acceptance timing took me totally by surprise. So, I'm guessing that was their first day back, they met that morning, and emails went out right after? Anyway...the process took about 9 weeks.

So, if you were interviewed on Dec 11th, I'm guessing that acceptances from that timeframe could come anytime within the next 4 weeks or so.
 
Is there a second look day? I didn't get anything about it in the admissions packet...
 
PreMedOrDead said:
The pancake eating contest was chewing away at the school's endowment.
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Ha!

I was just thinking that a lack of offering a "second look" might hurt their yield. As students attend other schools "second looks", it gives those schools a chance to sell their school.
 
SOMBound13 said:
Ha!

I was just thinking that a lack of offering a "second look" might hurt their yield. As students attend other schools "second looks", it gives those schools a chance to sell their school.
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I was just joking, of course. But you're right. SLU has a high turnover rate, likely due to its 'position' in the scheme of medical schools. Second look would definitely be a way they could improve their yield. However, that's up to them to decide whether it's worth it.
 
sombound13 said:
ha!

I was just thinking that a lack of offering a "second look" might hurt their yield. As students attend other schools "second looks", it gives those schools a chance to sell their school.
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+1
 
PreMedOrDead said:
I was just joking, of course. But you're right. SLU has a high turnover rate, likely due to its 'position' in the scheme of medical schools. Second look would definitely be a way they could improve their yield. However, that's up to them to decide whether it's worth it.
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It's weird that they don't because of the following: A friend of mine is a med student at Mizzou. Every year, one of the Missouri med schools hosts some kind of get-together for the med students in that state. Recently, SLU was the host SOM. My friend was amused that SLU spent a good deal of time "selling" their med school to students who are currently enrolled in a med school. Seems like a day late and a dollar short. Why not "sell" your school during a Second Look - especially if they've had yield issues with students choosing WashU, UChi, Mizzou or their state school instead.
 
SOMBound13 said:
It's weird that they don't because of the following: A friend of mine is a med student at Mizzou. Every year, one of the Missouri med schools hosts some kind of get-together for the med students in that state. Recently, SLU was the host SOM. My friend was amused that SLU spent a good deal of time "selling" their med school to students who are currently enrolled in a med school. Seems like a day late and a dollar short. Why not "sell" your school during a Second Look - especially if they've had yield issues with students choosing WashU, UChi, Mizzou or their state school instead.
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Just a hunch, but I don't think SLU is losing too many students to WashU and UofC. Little bit of apples and oranges there, IMO. Mizzou, may be more likely, but seems like the others are on a different level.

Not to knock SLU or Mizzou at all, both fine places, don't get me wrong.
 
I think the idea is that you got all the information you needed during your interview day. If not, you can always email the admissions office and they will set you up with a current med student for your own personal second look day.
 
LPpostbacc said:
Just a hunch, but I don't think SLU is losing too many students to WashU and UofC. Little bit of apples and oranges there, IMO. Mizzou, may be more likely, but seems like the others are on a different level.

Not to knock SLU or Mizzou at all, both fine places, don't get me wrong.
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This. A second look day at SLU is not going to talk anyone out of WashU or UChicago. There's only one thing that'll do that; money. WashU and UChicago probably give out way more money than SLU though, so there really isn't anything SLU can do to keep WashU/UChicago acceptees.

Also, a second look day likely wouldn't prevent SLU from losing students to Mizzou considering they are relatively closely ranked, way different in terms of curriculum and class size, and the fact that Mizzou is way cheaper.
 
MLeeBee said:
Is there a second look day? I didn't get anything about it in the admissions packet...
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I'm also accepted to SLU, but I only got an email. When did you get an admissions packet?
 
MedPR said:
This. A second look day at SLU is not going to talk anyone out of WashU or UChicago. There's only one thing that'll do that; money. WashU and UChicago probably give out way more money than SLU though, so there really isn't anything SLU can do to keep WashU/UChicago acceptees.

Also, a second look day likely wouldn't prevent SLU from losing students to Mizzou considering they are relatively closely ranked, way different in terms of curriculum and class size, and the fact that Mizzou is way cheaper.
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the argument isn't about losing students to WashU or UChi. SLU gets apps from students from all over the US, so its competition might be Creighton or Loyola Chicago or Drexel or UMiami or a number of other privates or OOS publics.
 
SOMBound13 said:
the argument isn't about losing students to WashU or UChi. SLU gets apps from students from all over the US, so its competition might be Creighton or Loyola Chicago or Drexel or UMiami or a number of other privates or OOS publics.
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Agree.

I think it'd be in Slu's best interest to have a second look day
 
SOMBound13 said:
the argument isn't about losing students to WashU or UChi. SLU gets apps from students from all over the US, so its competition might be Creighton or Loyola Chicago or Drexel or UMiami or a number of other privates or OOS publics.
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👍
 
SOMBound13 said:
the argument isn't about losing students to WashU or UChi. SLU gets apps from students from all over the US, so its competition might be Creighton or Loyola Chicago or Drexel or UMiami or a number of other privates or OOS publics.
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Well, with this I agree. Though I don't think Drexel is comparable to SLU/Creighton/Loyola. In your prior statement you seemed to be talking about Mizzou/WashU/UChicago though.

SOMBound13 said:
It's weird that they don't because of the following: A friend of mine is a med student at Mizzou. Every year, one of the Missouri med schools hosts some kind of get-together for the med students in that state. Recently, SLU was the host SOM. My friend was amused that SLU spent a good deal of time "selling" their med school to students who are currently enrolled in a med school. Seems like a day late and a dollar short. Why not "sell" your school during a Second Look - especially if they've had yield issues with students choosing WashU, UChi, Mizzou or their state school instead.
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MedPR said:
A second look day at SLU is not going to talk anyone out of WashU or UChicago. There's only one thing that'll do that; money. WashU and UChicago probably give out way more money than SLU though, so there really isn't anything SLU can do to keep WashU/UChicago acceptees.
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Not sure about the other schools, but SLU gives $4.2 million every year in scholarships. 500 out of 700 students receive some sort of scholarship. The minimum (and most popular) amount is $5,000.


SOMBound13 said:
the argument isn't about losing students to WashU or UChi. SLU gets apps from students from all over the US, so its competition might be Creighton or Loyola Chicago or Drexel or UMiami or a number of other privates or OOS publics.
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Agreed. I highly doubt there are many applicants that are accepted to both SLU and WashU or UofC. And even so, a second look is very unlikely to pull them in one direction or the other. The schools are very different - whereas places like Creighton or Loyola are more comparable.


blizzah said:
I think it'd be in Slu's best interest to have a second look day
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As I mentioned before, SLU has a second look day every day of the year. All you have to do is email the admissions committee to set it up.
 
As I mentioned before, SLU has a second look day every day of the year. All you have to do is email the admissions committee to set it up.[/QUOTE]


However, without a specific day set up you miss out on meeting potential classmates.
 
MedPR said:
Well, with this I agree. Though I don't think Drexel is comparable to SLU/Creighton/Loyola. In your prior statement you seemed to be talking about Mizzou/WashU/UChicago though.
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I shouldn't have included WashU and UChi I should have listed Creighton, Loyola-Chicago, Medical College of Wisconsin, instead.

It just seemed odd that SLU seemed to be trying to "sell" the school to current med students who are attending other med schools rather than having a Second Look day for accepted applicants who are still deciding.
 
MLeeBee said:
As I mentioned before, SLU has a second look day every day of the year. All you have to do is email the admissions committee to set it up.
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However, without a specific day set up you miss out on meeting potential classmates.
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Very true. It's hard to justify the time away from school and the travel cost just to have "second look" by oneself.
 
MLeeBee said:
Haha, Yeah maybe it wasn't exactly a "packet" but there was financial stuff in there too
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OK, I might've gotten that 🙂 I'll have to look back through my pile of papers.

Is anyone 100% set on going to SLU right now, or are most people still getting acceptances and weighing different school?
 
SOMBound13 said:
the argument isn't about losing students to WashU or UChi. SLU gets apps from students from all over the US, so its competition might be Creighton or Loyola Chicago or Drexel or UMiami or a number of other privates or OOS publics.
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I think it's not so much competition, but rather people from "all over the US" being hesitant to move to St. Louis as opposed to the east coast or a bigger city like Chicago. WashU probably doesn't have this problem because of the attention it gets on Us News.
 
Washu som and slu are very different schools. I don't think the curriculums respectively have much of a modifying effect on step scores
 
Geebeejay said:
I think it's not so much competition, but rather people from "all over the US" being hesitant to move to St. Louis as opposed to the east coast or a bigger city like Chicago. WashU probably doesn't have this problem because of the attention it gets on Us News.
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There are enough Calif applicants who will go anywhere that will accept them. The unhooked with low 30 MCATs hardly stand a chance on the west coast or even the NE
 
Geebeejay said:
I think it's not so much competition, but rather people from "all over the US" being hesitant to move to St. Louis as opposed to the east coast or a bigger city like Chicago. WashU probably doesn't have this problem because of the attention it gets on Us News.
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WashU also has terrible yield numbers based on the accepted/matriculated stats on US News.
 
SOMBound13 said:
There are enough Calif applicants who will go anywhere that will accept them. The unhooked with low 30 MCATs hardly stand a chance on the west coast or even the NE
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SLU's low MCAT score is due to the medical scholars from SLU undergrad who need only sit for the test and not meet any minimum score to matriculate. SLUSOM doesn't let in many outside students with low MCAT scores.

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MedPR said:
SLU's low MCAT score is due to the medical scholars from SLU undergrad who need only sit for the test and not meet any minimum score to matriculate. SLUSOM doesn't let in many outside students with low MCAT scores.

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I said "low 30s", not low MCAT...big difference. 😀

Low 30s and unhooked won't get you much of a shot at a Calif SOM, but it will in the Midwest.
 
MedPR said:
SLU's low MCAT score is due to the medical scholars from SLU undergrad who need only sit for the test and not meet any minimum score to matriculate. SLUSOM doesn't let in many outside students with low MCAT scores.

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Low MCAT? IIRC SLU's median is a 33, a couple points above the national average. I think Loyola's is a 34. MCW and Creighton were more around the 30 range, I believe. Slightly below national average.
 
SLU's low MCAT score is due to the medical scholars from SLU undergrad who need only sit for the test and not meet any minimum score to matriculate
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Actually, if SLU's median is being hurt by casual test takers who are in their scholars program, then the answer might be to only require the MCAT from those who don't meet a certain GPA, and then those must further demonstrate by meeting a minimum MCAT.
 
PreMedOrDead said:
Low MCAT? IIRC SLU's median is a 33, a couple points above the national average. I think Loyola's is a 34. MCW and Creighton were more around the 30 range, I believe. Slightly below national average.
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Idk what their median is, but a lot of people misconceive their 10% (27) as a sign that SLU is welcoming of lower MCAT scores.




SOMBound13 said:
Actually, if SLU's median is being hurt by casual test takers who are in their scholars program, then the answer might be to only require the MCAT from those who don't meet a certain GPA, and then those must further demonstrate by meeting a minimum MCAT.
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The auto-accepted are required to maintain a certain GPA. The MCAT isn't part of their contract. If they don't maintain a high enough GPA they are removed from the program. They can obviously finish undergrad and still apply to SLUSOM, but they no longer have an auto acceptance.


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MedPR said:
The auto-accepted are required to maintain a certain GPA. The MCAT isn't part of their contract. If they don't maintain a high enough GPA they are removed from the program. They can obviously finish undergrad and still apply to SLUSOM, but they no longer have an auto acceptance.


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what % of the 1st yr class come from this program?

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113 said:
what % of the 1st yr class come from this program?

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probably a lot

US news says that basically every in state resident that was interviewed, was accepted (this includes people who did not matriculate)..
 
113 said:
what % of the 1st yr class come from this program?

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Not sure, but it's a pretty significant amount of recent years are any indication. Off the top of my head I know about a dozen people in the current M3 class who were in the program.




bearintraining said:
probably a lot

US news says that basically every in state resident that was interviewed, was accepted (this includes people who did not matriculate)..
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What are the numbers?


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PreMedOrDead said:
29% of the class attended SLU for undergrad.
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And the majority were medical scholars (auto admits) SLU typically doesn't take many non-scholars (from SLU pre-health data over the last 6 years) from SLU probably because they get a large number of scholars and want to have as many available spots to try and diversify their classes.

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Geebeejay said:
hmm interesting....I would imagine for the same reasons then?
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I'm sure people who deny WashU do so in large part because the city of St Louis doesn't have the greatest of reputations.

I think SLU has become a safety school for many top applicants.

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bearintraining said:
Total
Interviewed: 997
Accepted: 526
Enrolled: 175

In-state
Interviewed: 121
Accepted: 120
Enrolled: 70

Out-of-state
Interviewed: 876
Accepted: 406
Enrolled: 105
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That one rejected in-state guy is the ultimate feels bad man. +pity+🙁
 
bearintraining said:
Total
Interviewed: 997
Accepted: 526
Enrolled: 175

In-state
Interviewed: 121
Accepted: 120
Enrolled: 70

Out-of-state
Interviewed: 876
Accepted: 406
Enrolled: 105
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What year is that from? Because if that is from last year, I was the only person from Missouri that was rejected after an interview...
 
bcd051 said:
What year is that from? Because if that is from last year, I was the only person from Missouri that was rejected after an interview...
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eek. well, its current US News data... soo.... not sure if that's a year behind or if that's last year?

EDIT: at the very bottom is says "* Medical School Admissions details based on 2011 data".. that would imply it's a year behind, I think??
 
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