2019-2020 Mt. Sinai (Icahn)

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johnnytest said:
So, I should clarify. As primary screeners we can only see if you applied to Mount Sinai's Flexmed if you indicated on the application you did. We wouldn't know if you interviewed unless you flat-out mentioned it in your application somewhere. Only the secondary screeners can pull up your file from 3 yrs ago and review it in its entirety and see the comments from the interviewers. And I have no idea if the secondary screeners do that or how often. In my response to the other person whether it helps if you interviewed before is also based on if the secondary screener bothers to even look at your application from 3 yrs ago. Otherwise, they will make a decision on the application you currently provided. From my experience having screened and interviewed FlexMed candidates I know how difficult it is to get an interview so if I knew you received an interview as a flexmed candidate then it would mean you were good enough on paper back then and we wanted to meet you. What happened on interview day as a primary screener I'll never know (unless the primary screener was involved in interviewing flexmed applicants 3 yrs prior which would not really be possible for med students but can be possible for faculty). If I was a secondary screener I'd want to review your previous application from Flexmed. However, bottom line, from the perspective of a primary screener all we know is that you applied before.

Nerves are fine but arrogance, extreme awkwardness, or any other poor interpersonal trait to the point where we think you cannot interact with patients would be a concern. FlexMed applicants are young so it's understandable to be nervous and even awkward. We expect you to have matured and improved on such aspects by now. Again, your flexmed interview could have gone poorly but unless someone goes back to check it then you're good. The one person who I know who would be more inclined to check on a previous flexmed applicant if we are recommending to interview them again is the dean of admissions. Not because she wants to find any reasons to not interview you but she likes to give second chances sometimes and it's nice to know you still want to come to Sinai even though we could not offer you a spot through FlexMed. Lastly, if the dean of admissions happened to interview you for FlexMed chances are she will remember you.
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You've been giving such thoughtful and detailed responses -- I really appreciate the insight! Thank you!
 
@johnnytest you mentioned there will be less interviews this year. Any ideas about what post ii acceptance rate might be? It's sort of hard to figure out with Sinai because the official number online is around 40% but that counts flex med.
 
sm96 said:
Is anyone with an II able to tell me what the available dates are? Considering an ITA email (not sure if I am brave enough lol) and wondering if 10/21 is still available.
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just send the ITA; they are receptive to them. you have nothing to lose!!
 
A completely, 100% unexpected II this morning. Complete 7/15, 3.85/515. Honestly, don't know how I managed to finesse this one....

For those of you waiting with bated breath, they had TONS of dates available. Oct 23rd, 31st, Nov 1st, Nov 4th, etc...so I think it's relatively safe to assume you won't have to schedule 2+ months out or anything like that 🙂
 
emf96 said:
A completely, 100% unexpected II this morning. Complete 7/15, 3.85/515. Honestly, don't know how I managed to finesse this one....

For those of you waiting with bated breath, they had TONS of dates available. Oct 23rd, 31st, Nov 1st, Nov 4th, etc...so I think it's relatively safe to assume you won't have to schedule 2+ months out or anything like that 🙂
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gratz !!
have similar stats, nice to see there's hope :3
 
juliannewman said:
II a couple days ago, complete august.

anyone know how long the uber/cab is from sinai to lga after the interview?
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Congrats! Anywhere from 25-40 min depending on traffic. Heads up - it's a bit annoying to get to the pickup location for Uber/Lyft from certain terminals.
 
If I upload an ITA on the portal, can I send another update later? Or do they only allow one update? Thanks!
 
MrPooperScooper said:
www.thecut.com

One Night at Mount Sinai

Aja Newman went to the emergency room for shoulder pain. Her doctor was a superstar. What’s the worst that could happen?
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Wow, kinda wanna withdraw my app after reading this
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This is really depressing as I really liked Sinai.

I’m wondering if people will react to this the same way as Keck. It’s amazing how these things will be overlooked because an acceptance to a medical school overshadows everything else in importance.
 
scintillating said:
This is really depressing as I really liked Sinai.

I’m wondering if people will react to this the same way as Keck. It’s amazing how these things will be overlooked because an acceptance to a medical school overshadows everything else in importance.
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I think that these things matter more for competing acceptances. Most applicants just get one acceptance, so they don't have much of a choice.

For applicants who are fortunate/worked hard enough to have multiple acceptances, I figure these things would play more into their decisions.
 
MrPooperScooper said:
www.thecut.com

One Night at Mount Sinai

Aja Newman went to the emergency room for shoulder pain. Her doctor was a superstar. What’s the worst that could happen?
www.thecut.com www.thecut.com

Wow, kinda wanna withdraw my app after reading this
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God. That this was such a top-to-bottom institutional failure and that they continue to fight a lawsuit to not pay damages disgusts me. I am pulling my application. I cannot go to a school where the hierarchy cares more about institutional image than workplace ethics and equity.
 
vomitcom said:
God. That this was such a top-to-bottom institutional failure and that they continue to fight a lawsuit to not pay damages disgusts me. I am pulling my application. I cannot go to a school where the hierarchy cares more about institutional image than workplace ethics and equity.
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I am going to pull my application as well.

Not only is this horrific, but I've heard whispers on twitter about the abusive culture there for months now. Knowing that people like Ch-rney and S-ngh (censored names in case anyone is worried about ppl searching) are involved with the medical school kills any desire I would have to attempt to see if I could "stick it out" there and try to make a difference. It's sickening. Women like Aja should never have to endure such a horrifying abuse at the hands of a medical institution.

God.... this is so sick.
 
vomitcom said:
God. That this was such a top-to-bottom institutional failure and that they continue to fight a lawsuit to not pay damages disgusts me. I am pulling my application. I cannot go to a school where the hierarchy cares more about institutional image than workplace ethics and equity.
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So sick
 
As a current Sinai student I feel obliged to say something in regards to the above article:

The article is disgraceful and every student I’ve spoken to about it is disgusted (meaning we are disgusted by the fact that someone employed by Sinai did such terrible things). Unfortunately though, there are terrible and abhorrent doctors at many institutions. This article does not delve into the actions taken by Mount Sinai to investigate the situation or whether they immediately got rid of Dr. Newman, but from what I know, Sinai immediately terminated him and began investigating.

As for the news around Dean Charney and the ”macho mentality” of Sinai’s administration, what I will say is that my experience as a student has been far removed from any of this. The physicians you work with and learn from as a student here truly care about us, and they do not reflect the “macho mentality” or toughness that is perceived from the administration.

As a Sinai student, you have tremendous independence and authority in your education, which is incredibly unique to the school. Before pulling your application, I urge you to learn more about what makes Sinai special and why students here enjoy their experiences. I admit that the current administration is unfortunate and needs to do better, but they are not a reflection of the many people you will interact with and learn from as a student here, and they certainly do not dictate the type of educational experience you will have here.
 
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NYCstudent123 said:
As a current Sinai student I feel obliged to say something in regards to the above article:

The article is disgraceful and every student I’ve spoken to about it is disgusted. However, the links made between Charney’s bullying behavior and Dr. Newman’s actions are unrelated, yet this article seems to hold them together. Unfortunately, there are terrible and abhorrent doctors at many institutions, and given Dr. Newman’s credentials, he could have been employed anywhere. Furthermore, this article does not delve into the actions taken by Mount Sinai to investigate the situation or whether they immediately got rid of Dr. Newman, but from what I know, Sinai immediately terminated him and began investigating.

As for the unrelated news around Dean Charney and the ”macho mentality” of Sinai’s administration, what I will say is that my experience as a student has been far removed from any of this. The physicians you work with and learn from as a student here truly care about us, and they do not reflect the “macho mentality” or toughness that is perceived from the administration.

As a Sinai student, you have tremendous independence and authority in your education, which is incredibly unique to the school. Before pulling your application, I urge you to learn more about what makes Sinai special and why students here enjoy their experiences. I admit that the current administration is unfortunate and needs to do better, but they are not a reflection of the many people you will interact with and learn from as a student here, and they certainly do not dictate the type of educational experience you will have here.
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Wait, the article is disgraceful or what the article wrote is disgraceful? Also the same question about whether the students are disgusted by the content of the article or the fact that the article make the school look bad?
 
NYCstudent123 said:
As a current Sinai student I feel obliged to say something in regards to the above article:

The article is disgraceful and every student I’ve spoken to about it is disgusted. However, the links made between Charney’s bullying behavior and Dr. Newman’s actions are unrelated, yet this article seems to hold them together. Unfortunately, there are terrible and abhorrent doctors at many institutions, and given Dr. Newman’s credentials, he could have been employed anywhere. Furthermore, this article does not delve into the actions taken by Mount Sinai to investigate the situation or whether they immediately got rid of Dr. Newman, but from what I know, Sinai immediately terminated him and began investigating.

As for the unrelated news around Dean Charney and the ”macho mentality” of Sinai’s administration, what I will say is that my experience as a student has been far removed from any of this. The physicians you work with and learn from as a student here truly care about us, and they do not reflect the “macho mentality” or toughness that is perceived from the administration.

As a Sinai student, you have tremendous independence and authority in your education, which is incredibly unique to the school. Before pulling your application, I urge you to learn more about what makes Sinai special and why students here enjoy their experiences. I admit that the current administration is unfortunate and needs to do better, but they are not a reflection of the many people you will interact with and learn from as a student here, and they certainly do not dictate the type of educational experience you will have here.
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Btw, you created this account to write this?! Seriously? Which PR firm do you work for? That’s pathetic!
 
notsobabydoc said:
Btw, you created this account to write this?! Seriously? Which PR firm do you work for? That’s pathetic!
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In regards to your question, I and other students are disgusted by Dr. Newman’s actions, not by the article itself, and Dr. Newman’s actions are disgraceful. No need for hostility, I just felt like sharing my experience! Pull your app if you want.
 
NYCstudent123 said:
In regards to your question, I and other students are disgusted by Dr. Newman’s actions, not by the article itself, and Dr. Newman’s actions are disgraceful. No need for hostility, I just felt like sharing my experience! Pull your app if you want.
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“Great” way to do your damage control. Trust me the issue is much bigger than people pulling their applications here.
 
NYCstudent123 said:
In regards to your question, I and other students are disgusted by Dr. Newman’s actions, not by the article itself, and Dr. Newman’s actions are disgraceful. No need for hostility, I just felt like sharing my experience! Pull your app if you want.
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Pretty sloppy writing and your firm can do better. Hopefully you are not Charney himself lol
 
Uh oh I sense moderator action approaching. I agree with NYCstudent123 in that it was weird how the article so haphazardly lumped Dr Newman’s behavior together with Dean Charney’s behavior. Doesn’t seem like Pulitzer Prize winning journalism to associate the two as they did, even tho both are serious problems. maybe the various issues at Sinai deserve more than just this article from the cut. Not taking sides, just encouraging people to analyze the news critically and ask questions. Clearly there are some problems at Sinai that deserve our attention and scrutiny. I doubt this will effect the experience of med students other than that they’ll have to deal with a blow to Sinai’s reputation.
 
Punky Brewster said:
Uh oh I sense moderator action approaching. I agree with NYCstudent123 in that it was weird how the article so haphazardly lumped Dr Newman’s behavior together with Dean Charney’s behavior. Doesn’t seem like Pulitzer Prize winning journalism to associate the two as they did, even tho both are serious problems. maybe the various issues at Sinai deserve more than just this article from the cut. Not taking sides, just encouraging people to analyze the news critically and ask questions. Clearly there are some problems at Sinai that deserve our attention and scrutiny. I doubt this will effect the experience of med students other than that they’ll have to deal with a blow to Sinai’s reputation.
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I am not advocating people to pull their applications. It’s just so strange that someone would create a username with so little creativity such as NYCstudent123 to point out the connectivity of events in the article. I mean, come on, we are not reading an Agatha Christie’s novel here. The article is merely stating facts. Mt Sinai accepts students who will most likely have many options, hence their problem is not about people pulling apps.
 
notsobabydoc said:
I am not advocating people to pull their applications. It’s just so strange that someone would create a username with so little creativity such as NYCstudent123 to point out the connectivity of events in the article. I mean, come on, we are not reading an Agatha Christie’s novel here. The article is merely stating facts. Mt Sinai accepts students who will most likely have many options, hence their problem is not about people pulling apps.
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Hahah love the Agatha Christie line. Fair, fair. I bow my head.
 
NYCstudent123 said:
As a current Sinai student I feel obliged to say something in regards to the above article:

The article is disgraceful and every student I’ve spoken to about it is disgusted (meaning we are disgusted by the fact that someone employed by Sinai did such terrible things). Unfortunately though, there are terrible and abhorrent doctors at many institutions. This article does not delve into the actions taken by Mount Sinai to investigate the situation or whether they immediately got rid of Dr. Newman, but from what I know, Sinai immediately terminated him and began investigating.

As for the news around Dean Charney and the ”macho mentality” of Sinai’s administration, what I will say is that my experience as a student has been far removed from any of this. The physicians you work with and learn from as a student here truly care about us, and they do not reflect the “macho mentality” or toughness that is perceived from the administration.

As a Sinai student, you have tremendous independence and authority in your education, which is incredibly unique to the school. Before pulling your application, I urge you to learn more about what makes Sinai special and why students here enjoy their experiences. I admit that the current administration is unfortunate and needs to do better, but they are not a reflection of the many people you will interact with and learn from as a student here, and they certainly do not dictate the type of educational experience you will have here.
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As applicants, one of the few powers we have in this process is withdrawing applications. From my perspective, doing so is the least I can do to not support a toxic culture perpetrated from the top down. Even if the med students are isolated, the very act of paying tuition and studying under the Mt. Sinai name is implicitly supporting a culture of toxic masculinity. There are certain things I will simply not compromise on with my education, and a toxic institution that systematically degrades women/poc is one. I wish you (or your PR firm) the best of luck, but Mt. Sinai went from a school I was seriously excited about to one I WD from, and I'm glad I had the option to WD before getting trapped there.
 
I agree this is horrible. Still, I think it’s important not to rush to judgement regarding the school/what we know is true. I got a very different impression during my interview day at Sinai. I’m not saying that this can’t be true (the culture there), just that I will do some more digging if it’s a choice I am seriously considering at the end.
 
spuding102 said:
I agree this is horrible. Still, I think it’s important not to rush to judgement regarding the school/what we know is true. I got a very different impression during my interview day at Sinai. I’m not saying that this can’t be true (the culture there), just that I will do some more digging if it’s a choice I am seriously considering at the end.
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I agree. At the end of the day, we will make the decision that’s best for us. But just remember that the school does put on a show for us as well. A coercive administration bleeds into every cranny. I suspect the school will have a hard time attracting high stats at this point.
 
StanleyYelnats said:
I agree that one bad doctor isn’t enough to judge an entire institution. But to also have a dean known for rampant misogyny and entire departments filled with nepotism is really worrying. Unfortunately there are doctors who abuse their power over patients, but what’s really really disconcerting is when this sort of behavior is institutionally sanctioned.

It reminds me a lot of USC.
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Yes! And I’m shocked that everyone in the USC thread just keeps ignoring what’s happened (on more occasions than Sinai actually), while here everyone is talking about withdrawing their apps.

Someone in the USC thread said “I don’t think these problems indicate things that students are affected by on a daily basis”, which I disagreed with. USC hasn’t had a deep dive narrative written about their problems though.
 
StanleyYelnats said:
It absolutely will. After the director of global health at Sinai resigned after multiple women accused him of sex and age discrimination, Sinai did an “internal investigation“ and found no evidence of wrongdoing. What happens if you, as a student, need to report a higher up for discrimination or harassment? Would they ignore those claims too? It makes my blood boil that they’re willing to defend this kind of behavior.



There have been some good ones! PM me if you’d like them
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I completely agree with you. I posted some of the articles on the USC thread and the collective reaction was "Well, it's still a good school in CA" and back to the chorus of "II! Stats? Complete date?"
 
I'd also like to caution those on here who think people are jumping the gun to consider: as StanleyYelnats said, this is not the first incident related to sexual harassment to have occurred at Sinai. Personally, I've read about related incidents in other articles/reports and seen cautionary tweets here and there for at least a year. That hints to issues that extend beyond one or two isolated incidents. As someone on the outside, that makes me extremely cautious. It suggests a systemic culture of misogyny and misconduct that is not being actively, effectively addressed. That's not the kind of community I want to risk being a part of.

Also, please keep in mind who is most likely to be directly affected by these issues: Women. SPECIFICALLY women of color. Remember that in the Oct 15th article, two of the three documented suicides connected to Sinai have been women of color. I don't want to imply anyone has spoken like this yet, but if you feel like you want to mitigate the concerns of people in this thread, take a moment to consider if the problems being raised would affect you directly. The concept of a culture of harassment may seem outlandish for you, but for myself and many others it is a very real reality that we are cognizant of when choosing our future educational institution.

I am a white woman. I pulled my app both because I do not wish to support an institution that may have a misogynistic work culture, and because I would truly feel unsafe to be a female student under the guidance of such individuals. I'm not going to risk my own physical and mental health when there are many other medical schools I can apply to.
 
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