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Thank you! Any idea of the best way to format an ITA email or is this easily searchable on sdn?
They are very clear in stating that if you are far away just tell us exact dates you are in town. You can say you can attend thursday before tuesday after or thursday after if they make it available depending on your flexibility. Veracity matters more than format. My guess would be most people are already sending them letters for tuesday already if they are going to Columbia interview.
 
if i'll be in the area for interviews but i live about 4.5 hours away, do you guys think i should send an ITA email?
I’m wondering this too, I live 8 hours away but it’s a 1 hour flight. I’m not sure if it would look bad to send an ITA, because I will be in the city in November.
 
They are very clear in stating that if you are far away just tell us exact dates you are in town. You can say you can attend thursday before tuesday after or thursday after if they make it available depending on your flexibility. Veracity matters more than format. My guess would be most people are already sending them letters for tuesday already if they are going to Columbia interview.
Oof does 4 hours away count as far away. It still costs an extra flight and time away from class so I’m not sure
 
Well actually 6 by car since I would be leaving from college. Hour 30 by flight
Not sure how they measure long distance. Doesn't hurt to send it since they are suggesting sending an email. You can send it again if someone else gives you an interview at a later date!
 
Hello everyone, M4 currently on the admissions committee. Happy to answer any questions. Best of luck!
Thanks johnnytest! How would you describe the students at Mount Sinai - what makes them stand out? Is there anything you wish you had known about the program when you were applying?

(feel free to PM if you don't want to go into specifics on the thread)
 
Is Icahn receptive to ITA emails?

Yes, we don't bite. Feel free to ask any questions you may have to admissions that cannot be answered on the school website. If you're not sure and rather avoid emailing, you can ask me or PM me and I'll try my best to relay the answer to you.

what do you think of the length of the pre-clinical at mount sinai? it's almost two years long, correct?

Yep! 2 years pre-clinical. It's fine but I think schools that do 1.5 pre-clinical and make you do rotations and then step 1 and step 2 might be better because it gives you more time to see medicine prior to sitting for the boards. The truth is a lot of the things in 1st year are not as high-yield on boards and not applicable to most students. Example, anatomy is most useful if you want to be a surgeon. Histology if you want to do pathology. Biochem is an annoying subject on step 1 and loses its clinical value after that. Embryology is useless to everyone (lol jk).

Thanks johnnytest! How would you describe the students at Mount Sinai - what makes them stand out? Is there anything you wish you had known about the program when you were applying?

(feel free to PM if you don't want to go into specifics on the thread)

A couple of things but overall admissions does a good job of picking very nice genuine people. No one is cut-throat or gunner type to your face. People gun near step 1 time for their own careers. I don't blame the person going into neurosurgery for studying way harder than me and knowing way more.

Students are very accommodating of each other. You will be surprised how much people will support your endeavors and actually care about you and your problems.

How you view/get along with your classmates also depends on your background. For some people, it's very easy to get along with others and find commonalities. For others, in general, it can be a challenge. As a minority, it can be easy to feel sort of isolated and left out but I really think that's most med schools given the demographics of the people applying and getting accepted to med school. Sinai is one of the top schools so my biggest shock from someone with a lower income class is how incredibly rich my classmates (or their parents) are lol.
 
hi congrats! would you mind sharing your stats? also what interview dates are available?

LizzyM ~ 79. Earliest date i could select was late September (September 26 ish?). Latest date was October 17. I think they're going slowly through the applications and opening dates when they offer interviews. Good luck!
 
Does this mean that if we’re in the 20% that have been reviewed and we haven’t gotten an II it’s probably an R? I was complete day 1 and haven’t heard anything. Just trying to figure out if I should have hope or not

I also submitted pretty early and was starting to think that I was done receiving interviews because people who submitted way later than me were getting invites places I applied, but I received two in the past 24 hours after over a month of radio silence since my last interview invite! I know it’s easier said than done, but try not to let it get to your head 🙂 this process is so crazy and there’s no way to predict when you might hear back. I believe in you!!!
 
I got an II yesterday, figured I would chime in. Complete - 08/04.

Does anyone know what the interview style is? From previous threads it seems like an open-ended conversation that is very relaxed. Is there anything I should be particularly thinking of or watching out for?
 
I got an II yesterday, figured I would chime in. Complete - 08/04.

Does anyone know what the interview style is? From previous threads it seems like an open-ended conversation that is very relaxed. Is there anything I should be particularly thinking of or watching out for?

Two one-on-one 30 minute interviews. Either with two faculty or one faculty and one student. Never two students. Interviews are usually 9-11:30am. You sit and converse with your fellow applicants in the main waiting room while some people will get called for interviews. You'll receive your interview schedule day-of and who is interviewing you. Interviews are relaxed. We care more about your interpersonal skills at that point. Just have a conversation with someone. Definitely know why medicine and be able to talk about things on your app.
 
Sorry everyone, I just realized I can see when secondary apps were submitted for the apps I'm currently screening. The secondary app submission dates are completely random ranging from early July to Late August.

The earliest I have is July 9th (which I haven't reviewed yet), which goes to show that even if you haven't heard from us yet and others have received IIs after your complete date don't sweat it as someone might not have gotten to it yet.
 
Sorry everyone, I just realized I can see when secondary apps were submitted for the apps I'm currently screening. The secondary app submission dates are completely random ranging from early July to Late August.

The earliest I have is July 9th (which I haven't reviewed yet), which goes to show that even if you haven't heard from us yet and others have received IIs after your complete date don't sweat it as someone might not have gotten to it yet.
Sir/Ma'am, you just lifted a heavy rock off of my chest
 
Sorry everyone, I just realized I can see when secondary apps were submitted for the apps I'm currently screening. The secondary app submission dates are completely random ranging from early July to Late August.

The earliest I have is July 9th (which I haven't reviewed yet), which goes to show that even if you haven't heard from us yet and others have received IIs after your complete date don't sweat it as someone might not have gotten to it yet.
That’s mine! Please review! Just kidding. Thank you for providing some transparency to this process!
 
II here this morning! Complete 7/8. Many early-mid Oct dates available and P.S. I've been bamboozled by MSSM about 8-10x with their biomedical/clinical research program emails by now.

Any in the second week of October? I have an interview that day but have been holding off on buying plane tickets to NY in case I get another interview that week (the prices have stayed the same for the last two weeks so I figured I might as well wait).

Also, congrats!!
 
Any in the second week of October? I have an interview that day but have been holding off on buying plane tickets to NY in case I get another interview that week (the prices have stayed the same for the last two weeks so I figured I might as well wait).

Also, congrats!!
The airline prices usually start going up incrementally 4, 3, 2 weeks ahead of travel. Your best bet usually is to buy a ticket with airlines which allow you a credit if not a refund.
 
The airline prices usually start going up incrementally 4, 3, 2 weeks ahead of travel. Your best bet usually is to buy a ticket with airlines which allow you a credit if not a refund.
I cannot stress this enough. I got a basic economy flight because I thought that there’s no way I’d have to cancel and I wanted to save $150. Well now I’m out $440.
 
Any in the second week of October? I have an interview that day but have been holding off on buying plane tickets to NY in case I get another interview that week (the prices have stayed the same for the last two weeks so I figured I might as well wait).

Also, congrats!!
Thanks 🙂 And yes! I don't remember all the exact dates but there were 1-2 dates for each week of October up until the 3rd week. If I recall, there were dates on 10/4, 10/10, 10/16 for sure.
 
The airline prices usually start going up incrementally 4, 3, 2 weeks ahead of travel. Your best bet usually is to buy a ticket with airlines which allow you a credit if not a refund.

The ticket price for the flight in question has stayed the same for the past 3 weeks or so, and im only 2 weeks out now. If it had changed I would be more worried about buying it ASAP
 
So at Mt Sinai, screeners are all MS4's? Do you have to go by some guideline or you can do whatever you like??

Primary screeners are a mix of MS4s or higher (you basically need to have completed 3rd year and can be on a research year and still help with admissions) and faculty who have signed up to help with admissions for this cycle. Once the primary screener makes a decision on an application it then moves onto a secondary screener. The secondary screener's decision is the one that counts tbh. Secondary screeners include the dean of admissions and I think one or two other faculty members who have set aside a significant time to help with admissions. If I had to guess I'd say the dean of admissions probably does half of the secondary screens of all applications.

Sometimes faculty members who are helping for the first time realize the time it takes to help with screening, or interviewing and attending the committee meetings is far greater than they can afford to give. At the screening stage this may be one reason why an applicant's review can be somewhat delayed due to having to re-distribute it to another screener.

In terms of guidelines, we all have (even new faculty members) to go through orientation which is led by the dean of admissions as well as sign a code of conduct/ethics. During orientation, we discussed the various ways bias can influence our decisions and are reminded to keep our mindset on objective holistic review. At Sinai, MS1s and MS2s can help with screening for Sinai's FlexMed program only (early assurance). There's orientation for FlexMed screening too. So for those of us who have helped with admission going back to our MS1/MS2 days we definitely have more experience than the MS4 helping for the first time. Ultimately, the second screener's decision overpowers that of any primary screener. I've had the dean of admission give an interview for someone who I did not recommend an interview to and vice versa. I think admissions likes to have students help because 1. otherwise it would take forever to screen everybody and 2. as students we know the culture of Sinai very well and we are essentially deciding whether this person can fit in well here and would make a great classmate. Some of the best applications I've read made me go "Goodness, I wish this person was my classmate" or "This person embodies our mission at Sinai to the T." I think that's what most med schools base their decision on when handing out interviews.
 
Primary screeners are a mix of MS4s or higher (you basically need to have completed 3rd year and can be on a research year and still help with admissions) and faculty who have signed up to help with admissions for this cycle. Once the primary screener makes a decision on an application it then moves onto a secondary screener. The secondary screener's decision is the one that counts tbh. Secondary screeners include the dean of admissions and I think one or two other faculty members who have set aside a significant time to help with admissions. If I had to guess I'd say the dean of admissions probably does half of the secondary screens of all applications.

Sometimes faculty members who are helping for the first time realize the time it takes to help with screening, or interviewing and attending the committee meetings is far greater than they can afford to give. At the screening stage this may be one reason why an applicant's review can be somewhat delayed due to having to re-distribute it to another screener.

In terms of guidelines, we all have (even new faculty members) to go through orientation which is led by the dean of admissions as well as sign a code of conduct/ethics. During orientation, we discussed the various ways bias can influence our decisions and are reminded to keep our mindset on objective holistic review. At Sinai, MS1s and MS2s can help with screening for Sinai's FlexMed program only (early assurance). There's orientation for FlexMed screening too. So for those of us who have helped with admission going back to our MS1/MS2 days we definitely have more experience than the MS4 helping for the first time. Ultimately, the second screener's decision overpowers that of any primary screener. I've had the dean of admission give an interview for someone who I did not recommend an interview to and vice versa. I think admissions likes to have students help because 1. otherwise it would take forever to screen everybody and 2. as students we know the culture of Sinai very well and we are essentially deciding whether this person can fit in well here and would make a great classmate. Some of the best applications I've read made me go "Goodness, I wish this person was my classmate" or "This person embodies our mission at Sinai to the T." I think that's what most med schools base their decision on when handing out interviews.
Thank you for the clarification!
 
Primary screeners are a mix of MS4s or higher (you basically need to have completed 3rd year and can be on a research year and still help with admissions) and faculty who have signed up to help with admissions for this cycle. Once the primary screener makes a decision on an application it then moves onto a secondary screener. The secondary screener's decision is the one that counts tbh. Secondary screeners include the dean of admissions and I think one or two other faculty members who have set aside a significant time to help with admissions. If I had to guess I'd say the dean of admissions probably does half of the secondary screens of all applications.

Sometimes faculty members who are helping for the first time realize the time it takes to help with screening, or interviewing and attending the committee meetings is far greater than they can afford to give. At the screening stage this may be one reason why an applicant's review can be somewhat delayed due to having to re-distribute it to another screener.

In terms of guidelines, we all have (even new faculty members) to go through orientation which is led by the dean of admissions as well as sign a code of conduct/ethics. During orientation, we discussed the various ways bias can influence our decisions and are reminded to keep our mindset on objective holistic review. At Sinai, MS1s and MS2s can help with screening for Sinai's FlexMed program only (early assurance). There's orientation for FlexMed screening too. So for those of us who have helped with admission going back to our MS1/MS2 days we definitely have more experience than the MS4 helping for the first time. Ultimately, the second screener's decision overpowers that of any primary screener. I've had the dean of admission give an interview for someone who I did not recommend an interview to and vice versa. I think admissions likes to have students help because 1. otherwise it would take forever to screen everybody and 2. as students we know the culture of Sinai very well and we are essentially deciding whether this person can fit in well here and would make a great classmate. Some of the best applications I've read made me go "Goodness, I wish this person was my classmate" or "This person embodies our mission at Sinai to the T." I think that's what most med schools base their decision on when handing out interviews.

Thank you for providing all this insight on the way the process works. I think one of the most stressful aspects is sending our applications out and then having no sense of what happens with them until we receive a decision regarding whether or not we are progressing forward to the next step. Really appreciate you taking the time to lay this out.
 
How are update letters viewed? do they prompt a re-review of your app?

Not entirely sure. It can but if it has already reached a decision that is not an interview my bet would be the dean of admissions would glance at it again and make a decision. If it hasn't been reviewed yet I think the update letter will be added to the application for the screeners to see.
 
Thank you for providing all this insight on the way the process works. I think one of the most stressful aspects is sending our applications out and then having no sense of what happens with them until we receive a decision regarding whether or not we are progressing forward to the next step. Really appreciate you taking the time to lay this out.

Happy to help. I've been there so I can empathize wholeheartedly. At the end of the day, at least at Sinai, no application is ignored and every complete application is reviewed. It just takes time to review apps.
 
Are the people getting II lately mostly IS / around the tri state area or from far away?
 
@johnnytest I'm a little curious - does it help in any way if an applicant interviewed for Sinai's FlexMed program back in the day? I was able to interview as a sophomore and didn't receive an offer, but I absolutely adored Mt. Sinai when I visited and basically made it my mission to get in the regular cycle LOL
 
@johnnytest I'm a little curious - does it help in any way if an applicant interviewed for Sinai's FlexMed program back in the day? I was able to interview as a sophomore and didn't receive an offer, but I absolutely adored Mt. Sinai when I visited and basically made it my mission to get in the regular cycle LOL

Assuming you didn't get an offer during the flexmed cycle due to the competitiveness of that cycle rather than poor interview skills or other red flags then yes we like to see our flexmed applicants re-apply during the regular track. Since you reached the interview stage during Flexmed you were already deemed competitive enough and a potential good fit for Sinai. Assuming you kept up the good work since then yes it does help.
 
Assuming you didn't get an offer during the flexmed cycle due to the competitiveness of that cycle rather than poor interview skills or other red flags then yes we like to see our flexmed applicants re-apply during the regular track. Since you reached the interview stage during Flexmed you were already deemed competitive enough and a potential good fit for Sinai. Assuming you kept up the good work since then yes it does help.

Sooo I definitely had one bad interview during my flexmed ones. I was just insanely nervous and hadn't been interviewed for anything that serious before + as a sophomore answering those 'tell me a time when...' qs was tough because I really hadn't had / reflected on those times. Am I really at a disadvantage because of an interview 3 years ago?!
 
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