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If we are interested in an MD/MBA is there any way to indicate/apply to that now or is that only once you are accepted?
 
VaishS said:
If we are interested in an MD/MBA is there any way to indicate/apply to that now or is that only once you are accepted?
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Joint & Dual Degrees

Your interests and goals may span academic disciplines or areas of expertise, so the Stanford MBA Program empowers you to combine your studies.
www.gsb.stanford.edu www.gsb.stanford.edu

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You must apply separately, and be accepted, to both the School of Medicine and Stanford GSB.

You may apply to the MBA Program during your first, second, or third year at the School of Medicine. However, we strongly advise that you apply to the MBA Program in your third year.
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It seems that you can submit the secondary without completing KH as long as you start the app and get your application number and just mark that you intend to apply. Is that not the case?
 
VaishS said:
It seems that you can submit the secondary without completing KH as long as you start the app and get your application number and just mark that you intend to apply. Is that not the case?
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The secondary specifically says that you need to complete KH before submitting the secondary. Marking that you "intend to apply" does not allow you to submit the secondary, just to fill it out.

The KH application also states that you need to finish and submit the KH application before you submit the application to your respective graduate program.
 
This and UCSF are the only schools I haven't gotten secondaries back from. Kinda relieved other people facing the same issues. Now it's time to get off sdn till I get everything else done. Anyways, good luck to my fellow applicants! And remember to take breaks sometimes, this is gonna be a long process.
 
Seihai said:
The secondary specifically says that you need to complete KH before submitting the secondary. Marking that you "intend to apply" does not allow you to submit the secondary, just to fill it out.

The KH application also states that you need to finish and submit the KH application before you submit the application to your respective graduate program.
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ty for all the help <3
 
Received secondary. I have a few questions:

Please list any Stanford Medicine faculty who have served as a member or supervisor outside of their formal teaching role (e.g. resident advisor, research PI).
Maybe my CARS just sucks but what does "member" refer to in this sentence? LOL It's saying I SHOULD list PI right?

Did your educational journey include attendance at a community college and a subsequent transfer to a four-year institution?
Does this include summer-only courses at a CC?
 
Fruitjuice said:
Please list any Stanford Medicine faculty who have served as a member or supervisor outside of their formal teaching role (e.g. resident advisor, research PI).
Maybe my CARS just sucks but what does "member" refer to in this sentence? LOL
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I think it means mentor.
 
Hey folks, for those applying to the MSTP, do you think it would look weird to be applying to the MSTP but NOT to the Berg scholars program? Personally, I'm looking for comprehensive research training in the form of a full PhD thesis, not just a masters for a single year of research. Other MSTP applicants, thoughts?
 
tardigrade88 said:
Hey folks, for those applying to the MSTP, do you think it would look weird to be applying to the MSTP but NOT to the Berg scholars program? Personally, I'm looking for comprehensive research training in the form of a full PhD thesis, not just a masters for a single year of research. Other MSTP applicants, thoughts?
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Not an MSTP applicant, but I think that's fine.
 
tardigrade88 said:
Hey folks, for those applying to the MSTP, do you think it would look weird to be applying to the MSTP but NOT to the Berg scholars program? Personally, I'm looking for comprehensive research training in the form of a full PhD thesis, not just a masters for a single year of research. Other MSTP applicants, thoughts?
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It’s fine
 
pagingdocopp said:
Secondary received like 8 hours ago and issa damn good thing because I WORK HERe so best of luck everybody make sure you talk a lot about research!!! lol
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Don’t feel pressured to talk about research if that’s not your passion. It’s a big part of the school but not the only part and you should be playing your strengths in every part of the application.
 
"Do any members of your family have an association with Stanford University or Stanford Medicine?"
does having a parent who works for the hospital count? or is this question strictly related to the university and medical school?
 
perfect weather said:
"Do any members of your family have an association with Stanford University or Stanford Medicine?"
does having a parent who works for the hospital count? or is this question strictly related to the university and medical school?
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Yes, having a parent who works for the hospital counts. It specifically asks for any "associations," and I'm pretty sure that Stanford's affiliated hospital counts as being associated with Stanford Medicine.
 
Seihai said:
Yes, having a parent who works for the hospital counts. It specifically asks for any "associations," and I'm pretty sure that Stanford's affiliated hospital counts as being associated with Stanford Medicine.
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thank you!
 
langwang3 said:
For MD/PhD there is the following question: If your application is declined for MSTP consideration, would you prefer us to refer your application to the MD program for consideration of MD alone?

If I put yes, will that hurt my chances at MD PhD because it conveys lack of commitment or whatever? I want to put yes because if I get in to MD only, then I would just apply as an internal applicant to the MSTP, but what would adcoms think?
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Can you post all of the MD/PhD prompts?
 
ahhhh1234 said:
Can you post all of the MD/PhD prompts?
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MSTP Supplemental Questions

The MSTP MD-PhD is seeking students who demonstrate commitment to, and record of achievement in, undergraduate activities indicative of a successful career in academic medicine and scientific investigation.

Competition for the MSTP MD-PhD is extremely rigorous with a limited number of positions available. All MSTP MD-PhD applications are evaluated by both the MSTP MD-PhD Admissions Committee and the Stanford Medical School Admissions Committee. Applicants who are not offered interviews or admission to the MSTP MD-PhD remain active candidates for the MD Program. Applicants to the MSTP MD-PhD represent a wide range of scientific backgrounds; their common denominator is a significant and extensive research experience in which they were able to demonstrate originality and creativity of scientific though.

A stipulation of the NIH training grant that provides support for the MSTP MD-PhD at Stanford is that trainees must be citizens of the United States or hold a resident alien card (permanent resident).

A completed application to the MSTP MD-PhD includes a complete application to the Stanford MD Program and letters of recommendation. However, the following application materials will serve as the primary basis for initial evaluation by the MSTP MD-PhD Admissions Committee; therefore, much of the information will duplicate what was previously requested for your AMCAS application and/or the first part of the Stanford Supplementary Application. The admissions committee is especially interested in the depth and extent of your prior research experience, as well as your reasons for pursuing training as a physician-scientist.

The AMCAS application has required essay responses to MD/PhD program interest. You may use information from these responses in the sections that follow, but you are required to answer every question on the Stanford Supplemental Application, and it is not sufficient to simply refer to the AMCAS essays. Your AMCAS MD/PhD essays will be included also.

Describe your most significant research experience. Include the rationale, results, and conclusions, and the role you played in each of these components. Please be very specific, including the dates and amount of time you were engaged. For publications or presentations that resulted or will result from this work, include a complete citation with the names of all authors and the status (e.g., submitted, in preparation). Please limit your answer to 2,500 characters including spaces.


Describe in a short paragraph your educational and family background. E.g., I grew up in New York City, as the 3rd child of a high school principal and homemaker. I attended Mann High School where my major interests were boxing and drama. Please limit your answer to 600 characters including spaces.




Describe your reasons for pursuing medical scientist training in relation to your long-term career goals. Why are you applying to a combined degree program rather than graduate or medical school only? Please limit your answer to 800 characters including spaces.



Describe your current lab affiliation and the weekly time commitment required. E.g., I am working in the Griffin lab where I performed research in the summer following junior year for 20 hours per week. Please limit your answer to 800 characters including spaces.



Describe any other research experiences you think would be relevant to the MSTP MD-PhD Admissions Committee decision. Please limit your answer to 800 characters including spaces.



Describe any patient-related, teaching, and service-oriented activities relevant to the MSTP MD-PhD Admissions Committee decision. Please limit your answer to 800 characters including spaces.



Describe any other aspect of your background you think would be relevant to the MSTP MD-PhD Admissions Committee decision. Please limit your answer to 800 characters including spaces.
 
NeuroGeek20 said:
Just clarified this with one of the directors, that information is outdated.

This year, applicants who express interest in Berg scholars will be interviewed for the program prior to matriculating.
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Hey sorry to circle back and bother you ~ do you happen to know if Berg Scholars rejects are automatically considered for the MD program (i.e. only accepted MD's are considered for Berg? Thanks!
 
@Lucca I'm reading on the website that all students must select (only?) one of the Foundations scholarly concentrations, then does that mean the Applications can be a second area of conception if the student chooses?

Also, if one decides to not split pre-clerkships, would there be adequate time to pursue scholarly/service/leadership projects, or is that an exclusive feature of the split pre-clerkships?
 
Fruitjuice said:
@Lucca I'm reading on the website that all students must select (only?) one of the Foundations scholarly concentrations, then does that mean the Applications can be a second area of conception if the student chooses?

Also, if one decides to not split pre-clerkships, would there be adequate time to pursue scholarly/service/leadership projects, or is that an exclusive feature of the split pre-clerkships?
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There’s quite a bit of flexibility in what you can do. Each of the concentrations has different leadership behind it and you apply to them when you are submitting your project proposal. That said, many if not most projects can probably overlap over many foundations so you can choose whatever you like best. And if you want to do a Masters well the requirement and for the Masters kind of take up the room of everything else, similar with Berg. Sorry for the unspecific answer but the way I’d look at is that if you come here you will devote at least a year’s worth of effort to a scholarly project (very broadly defined to include policy, Bioethics, humanities as well as basic and clinical research) and it rly comes down to what you want that project to look like more than what you are specifically required to do.

You don’t have to split to do a project. Everyone whether they split or not will do the scholarly concentration. Most people here graduate in 5 so many will take a full research year either between M2 and M3 or M3 and M4 but nobody will stop you from graduating in 4 and it’s perfectly possible to complete all of the requirements in 4 provided you have realistic expectations for what you want to get out of the experience / can achieve in that timeframe.

In other words, if there are two people and one takes a full research year between M3 and M4 and the other splits the curriculum they will both have 1 full year’s worth of effort on a project, but the latter’s effort is spread over a longer period of time.

The real advantage of the split curriculum in my own view as someone who is planning on splitting is that it is beneficial for projects where what you can achieve is not linearly related to the amount of time spent. Basic science is a great example: **** takes time, especially if you are working with model organisms where the pace of your experiments is set by the lifespan of the organism or the timescale of the process being studied. Another example is community work. It takes time to find partners, build rapport, Marshall resources, organize people, and implement plans. Even if you were to work 120 hrs a week, it might not speed anything along because you are also working on the timeline of many other people and also the community you are trying to work with. On the other hand there is clinical research where you can produce basically as much as you have time and energy to produce almost entirely on your own. You don’t have to come in decided on this though and you’ll get a lot of guidance on the options when you’re coming in.
 
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Lucca said:
There’s quite a bit of flexibility in what you can do. Each of the concentrations has different leadership behind it and you apply to them when you are submitting your project proposal. That said, many if not most projects can probably overlap over many foundations so you can choose whatever you like best. And if you want to do a Masters well the requirement and for the Masters kind of take up the room of everything else, similar with Berg. Sorry for the unspecific answer but the way I’d look at is that if you come here you will devote at least a year’s worth of effort to a scholarly project (very broadly defined to include policy, Bioethics, humanities as well as basic and clinical research) and it rly comes down to what you want that project to look like more than what you are specifically required to do.

You don’t have to split to do a project. Everyone whether they split or not will do the scholarly concentration. Most people here graduate in 5 so many will take a full research year either between M2 and M3 or M3 and M4 but nobody will stop you from graduating in 4 and it’s perfectly possible to complete all of the requirements in 4 provided you have realistic expectations for what you want to get out of the experience / can achieve in that timeframe.

In other words, if there are two people and one takes a full research year between M3 and M4 and the other splits the curriculum they will both have 1 full year’s worth of effort on a project, but the latter’s effort is spread over a longer period of time.

The real advantage of the split curriculum in my own view as someone who is planning on splitting is that it is beneficial for projects where what you can achieve is not linearly related to the amount of time spent. Basic science is a great example: **** takes time, especially if you are working with model organisms where the pace of your experiments is set by the lifespan of the organism or the timescale of the process being studied. Another example is community work. It takes time to find partners, build rapport, Marshall resources, organize people, and implement plans. Even if you were to work 120 hrs a week, it might not speed anything along because you are also working on the timeline of many other people and also the community you are trying to work with. On the other hand there is clinical research where you can produce basically as much as you have time and energy to produce almost entirely on your own. You don’t have to come in decided on this though and you’ll get a lot of guidance on the options when you’re coming in.
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Thanks for the detailed answer! Just wanted to make sure my secondary answer isn’t complete nonsense in the context of how the program works.
 
@Lucca - do you mind providing your advice/opinions on this? I'm pretty torn...

community work has always been a big part of my identity as it is rooted in many of the hardships that my family and I experienced. In fact, these hardships have inspired me to create a nonprofit. As such, I feel like a very reasonable answer to the practice setting question would be public health/community health.

that being said, I'm not sure that I see myself pursuing community work full-time. Rather, I've always seen myself in academic medicine as I (1) really enjoyed research and have an above average publication portfolio and (2) really enjoyed my prior teaching experiences. These 2 factors draw me towards Berg Scholars. My ideal future profession would be a full-time academic clinician who devotes spare time outside of academia to continue community work.

Would it be odd/illogical to put community health as a practice setting, but then also apply for Berg Scholars? I feel like if I apply for Berg Scholars, then I'm obligated to select Academic Medicine (Physician Scientist) as my practice setting.
Sorry if my thoughts are a bit incohesive, but thanks in advance for the help!
 
Mr.Wick said:
@Lucca - do you mind providing your advice/opinions on this? I'm pretty torn...

community work has always been a big part of my identity as it is rooted in many of the hardships that my family and I experienced. In fact, these hardships have inspired me to create a nonprofit. As such, I feel like a very reasonable answer to the practice setting question would be public health/community health.

that being said, I'm not sure that I see myself pursuing community work full-time. Rather, I've always seen myself in academic medicine as I (1) really enjoyed research and have an above average publication portfolio and (2) really enjoyed my prior teaching experiences. These 2 factors draw me towards Berg Scholars. My ideal future profession would be a full-time academic clinician who devotes spare time outside of academia to continue community work.

Would it be odd/illogical to put community health as a practice setting, but then also apply for Berg Scholars? I feel like if I apply for Berg Scholars, then I'm obligated to select Academic Medicine (Physician Scientist) as my practice setting.
Sorry if my thoughts are a bit incohesive, but thanks in advance for the help!
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Of course, I’m not the almighty Lucca, so please take my comments with a grain of salt.

My impression of Berg Scholars was that they’re specifically looking for people who want to be physician-scientists who don’t want to do the 4+ years of the PhD training. Of course, this has its ups and downs, but it’s essentially Stanford’s way of saying, “Hey, we know that the training path is incredibly long for people interested in doing this sort of work, so let’s try to give people options as to how they want to become a physician-scientist.” Stanford will be replete with opportunities for you to do community work as you mentioned and to be an “academic” too, but that doesn’t mean you need that extra degree. Berg seems to be targeting MD-scientists, not just generally MD-academics.

Again, @Lucca will give a more accurate picture of this.
 
Sarasa Zebra said:
Of course, I’m not the almighty Lucca, so please take my comments with a grain of salt.

My impression of Berg Scholars was that they’re specifically looking for people who want to be physician-scientists who don’t want to do the 4+ years of the PhD training. Of course, this has its ups and downs, but it’s essentially Stanford’s way of saying, “Hey, we know that the training path is incredibly long for people interested in doing this sort of work, so let’s try to give people options as to how they want to become a physician-scientist.” Stanford will be replete with opportunities for you to do community work as you mentioned and to be an “academic” too, but that doesn’t mean you need that extra degree. Berg seems to be targeting MD-scientists, not just generally MD-academics.

Again, @Lucca will give a more accurate picture of this.
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hey @Sarasa Zebra ~ I really appreciate you jumping in with the input 🙂 thank you! Based on what you said above if I pass on Berg Scholars, I'm still a bit torn between academic medicine (clinical) or public health/community health as my practice setting? Do you have any comments on this? Thanks!
 
othiasos said:
Quick question, because I can't find this information on their MTSP page: does Stanford allow students accepted into the MD program apply to their MTSP program after matriculation? Their website says they don't allow students who matriculated into MD or PhD programs at other institutions to submit a transfer application, but I'm not sure if that restriction also applies to SMS MD students.
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Yes, they allow MD students to apply to MSTP

MSTP Internal Admissions

med.stanford.edu med.stanford.edu
 
From the MSTP supplemental: "For publications or presentations that resulted or will result from this work, include a complete citation with the names of all authors and the status (e.g., submitted, in preparation)"

If we only have poster presentations for the experience we described, should we list the full citation for those? Or can I just say something like "1st author poster at regional conference"
 
Mr.Wick said:
@Lucca - do you mind providing your advice/opinions on this? I'm pretty torn...

community work has always been a big part of my identity as it is rooted in many of the hardships that my family and I experienced. In fact, these hardships have inspired me to create a nonprofit. As such, I feel like a very reasonable answer to the practice setting question would be public health/community health.

that being said, I'm not sure that I see myself pursuing community work full-time. Rather, I've always seen myself in academic medicine as I (1) really enjoyed research and have an above average publication portfolio and (2) really enjoyed my prior teaching experiences. These 2 factors draw me towards Berg Scholars. My ideal future profession would be a full-time academic clinician who devotes spare time outside of academia to continue community work.

Would it be odd/illogical to put community health as a practice setting, but then also apply for Berg Scholars? I feel like if I apply for Berg Scholars, then I'm obligated to select Academic Medicine (Physician Scientist) as my practice setting.
Sorry if my thoughts are a bit incohesive, but thanks in advance for the help!
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I agree with Sansa's interpretation of the goals of Berg having spoken to the people leading the program and students involved with it. The advantage of Berg is A) it's not a full length PhD but B) it still gives you enough protected time and financial support to pursue a significant basic or translational science project during medical school in preparation for a career as a physician scientist. It has its cons as well of course but I think the population that would be interested in MSTP or that kind of career path and those who would be good fits for Berg have a lot of overlap and it comes down to how the pros/cons of each path fit with your near and long term goals.

However, what you are describing as being an academic primarily focused on clinical practice and teaching I wouldnt necessarily see you as a great fit for the Berg. I think there are still plenty of ways to nurture those interests at Stanford, including through finding funding for a research year where you could be focused on community health / clinical research as opposed to bench / lab science.
 
babykarat said:
From the MSTP supplemental: "For publications or presentations that resulted or will result from this work, include a complete citation with the names of all authors and the status (e.g., submitted, in preparation)"

If we only have poster presentations for the experience we described, should we list the full citation for those? Or can I just say something like "1st author poster at regional conference"
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Full cite.
 
Mr.Wick said:
hey @Sarasa Zebra ~ I really appreciate you jumping in with the input 🙂 thank you! Based on what you said above if I pass on Berg Scholars, I'm still a bit torn between academic medicine (clinical) or public health/community health as my practice setting? Do you have any comments on this? Thanks!
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Hmm, I think you deep down inside know what you want to do. If you had to choose one, which would it be? If it's really a 50/50 (and I understand, since I'm in the same boat but with science), then I'd say go with what you've done the most I.E. Do you have more "academic" or "public/community health" activities?
 
Do y'all thing there is anything majorly wrong with having some identical wording between the Knight-Hennessey "How will Stanford/KH contribute towards your goals" and the Stanford secondary "Scholarly concentrations and curriculum" essays?

Maybe @Lucca?
 
MemeLord said:
Do y'all thing there is anything majorly wrong with having some identical wording between the Knight-Hennessey "How will Stanford/KH contribute towards your goals" and the Stanford secondary "Scholarly concentrations and curriculum" essays?

Maybe @Lucca?
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The KH website says it's fine if they overlap; write the medical school app as if you were not applying to KH. I believe they will have access to your app so maybe slightly rephrase? That's my plan. Good luck!
 
Medical AI said:
as if you were not applying to KH
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Definitely. The overlap is on the ‘why stanford’ side, not the ‘why KH’ side. I will try to see if there is a way to reword, the message is pretty straight forward lol Looking at submitting by Friday after several peer reviews. How are you coming along? She is a beast...
 
MemeLord said:
Definitely. The overlap is on the ‘why stanford’ side, not the ‘why KH’ side. I will try to see if there is a way to reword, the message is pretty straight forward lol Looking at submitting by Friday after several peer reviews. How are you coming along? She is a beast...
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I'm just going to follow my school's institutional timeline, so probably submitting in a month or so.
 
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