2012-2013 Washington University in St. Louis Application Thread

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Clinical grades count waaaaaay more in terms of final gpa. So I don't see the point in making second year more stressful than it is.

No. We have class thirds. So its a form of rank but not as bad. Also the lower third ends up being like 20% of the class. So its not even thirds. I honestly don't know how they figure that all out.

Our adviser has repeatedly told me that class rank is almost entirely dependent on 3rd year grades. 2nd year grades will not make a difference except that, if you're on the border between say top 1/3 and middle 1/3 and you have good 2nd year grades, it may push you over.

I've also been told that they try to give everyone the highest class rank possible. This means that they will tend to round GPAs in your favor. Only students in the top 1/3 are eligible for AOA, and of those, about half will actually be elected in to AOA.
 
Interview Invite!! (sent 7:13 central time)

I'm bouncing-off-the-walls happy about this invite!

:soexcited::highfive::claps::biglove:
 
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Interview Invite!! (sent 7:13 central time)

I'm bouncing-off-the-walls happy about this invite!

:soexcited::highfive::claps::biglove:

I got an II at precisely the same time!

Very excited to come interview here!
 
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I got an II at precisely the same time!

Very excited to come interview here!


When did you guys submit your applications and what were your stats??? I've been waiting for a little over a month and still haven't heard anything.
 
When did you guys submit your applications and what were your stats??? I've been waiting for a little over a month and still haven't heard anything.

Complete 8/08, 3.86/39
 
Complete 8/08, 3.86/39

Nice work on the MCAT! I have a 4.0/37 and submitted 9/4, but I'm still waiting. WashU is my #1 choice, so the lack of a response for this long has me worried. Your wait time is reassuring though! What is your interview date?
 
Nice work on the MCAT! I have a 4.0/37 and submitted 9/4, but I'm still waiting. WashU is my #1 choice, so the lack of a response for this long has me worried. Your wait time is reassuring though! What is your interview date?

Thanks, my interview is on Nov 28th. Yeah I wouldn't worry at all until at least a month from now or so.
 
Nice work on the MCAT! I have a 4.0/37 and submitted 9/4, but I'm still waiting. WashU is my #1 choice, so the lack of a response for this long has me worried. Your wait time is reassuring though! What is your interview date?


For what it's worth, I have a 4.0/39 and I waited almost 3 months for my II (submitted 7/6, invited 10/12, interview on 11/8), so don't worry yourself too much.

Any chance there's anyone her who's interviewed at WUMS and UF? The descriptions of both interview experiences are very similar (being called "the most relaxed interview ever," no grilling questions, blacked out grades/MCAT scores, interviews aimed at getting to know you as a person, etc.), and since I interviewed at UF I wanted to know how they compared.
 
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Serious question here, why is it that so many super high stat applicants choose WashU over other top schools?
 
They are very generous with merit scholarships for one.

I guess for comparison, aren't UChicago and Vanderbilt also quite generous with these? And many top schools offer research grants for students...

I suppose I'll have to see for myself 🙂
 
I guess for comparison, aren't UChicago and Vanderbilt also quite generous with these? And many top schools offer research grants for students...

I suppose I'll have to see for myself 🙂

The implication is that either 1) WashU > UChicago and Vanderbilt, or 2) WashU accepts and offers proportionately more scholarships to "super high stat applicants." IMO, the first is definitely true and the second is possibly true.

Also, research grants don't come close to making up for your $110k in loans plus whatever else your family can afford to pay.
 
The implication is that either 1) WashU > UChicago and Vanderbilt, or 2) WashU accepts and offers proportionately more scholarships to "super high stat applicants." IMO, the first is definitely true and the second is possibly true.

Also, research grants don't come close to making up for your $110k in loans plus whatever else your family can afford to pay.

Wait, where's the $110K figure coming from? I thought it should be $96K? (obviously $14K wouldn't make me change my mind on my top school but i'm still wondering)
 
The implication is that either 1) WashU > UChicago and Vanderbilt, or 2) WashU accepts and offers proportionately more scholarships to "super high stat applicants." IMO, the first is definitely true and the second is possibly true.

Also, research grants don't come close to making up for your $110k in loans plus whatever else your family can afford to pay.

Hm, I also suppose WashU likes these types more as well. I'm surprised that WashU doesn't have the familiar name like Harvard and Hopkins outside of the medical world though. Saying I got an interview at HMS is extremely well received whereas WashU is more of a congrats! What's that?

Not that it matters, but interesting.
 
I was complete early August but my new MCAT scores came out beg of September. I've been "complete" but not under review for forever -- should I be concerned or do anything?
 
Hm, I also suppose WashU likes these types more as well. I'm surprised that WashU doesn't have the familiar name like Harvard and Hopkins outside of the medical world though. Saying I got an interview at HMS is extremely well received whereas WashU is more of a congrats! What's that?

Not that it matters, but interesting.

Yeah, I always have to explain that no, it's not in Washington State, it's in St. Louis, and then I have to explain why I'd rather go to "some school in Missouri" than the best school in my state. :laugh:
 
Hm, I also suppose WashU likes these types more as well. I'm surprised that WashU doesn't have the familiar name like Harvard and Hopkins outside of the medical world though. Saying I got an interview at HMS is extremely well received whereas WashU is more of a congrats! What's that?

Not that it matters, but interesting.

That seems to be the case with most of the non-Ivies/Stanford/UCSF. Although reputation in the medical field is more important than rep in the general public.
 
That seems to be the case with most of the non-Ivies/Stanford/UCSF. reputation in the medical field is more important than rep in the general public.

True, though I think the Stanford name is pretty strong. Along the lines of JHU and HMS. I'd say top tens like WashU, UMich, Pitt, NU, and UChicago take a bit more explaining behind their strength. At least where I'm from, but obviously varies place to place. To be honest, I didn't even know Penn was an ivy. 😆
 
I'd say WashU is comparable to UCSF in terms of a name recognition pattern - pretty well known in medicine and roughly equally not well known outside of medicine. Non-med people think UCSF is some random school that got tacked onto the UC system (because they've heard of Berkeley and UCLA and UCSD but never UCSF), just as people confuse WashU with UW or, occasionally, GWU. The reason, I think, for this is a relative disparity between the reputation between the medical school and the undergraduate.

As a side note, the name thing is really an unfortunate accident of history. The institution was originally named after its founder William Greenleaf Eliot, aka TS Eliot's grandfather. Eliot, being a humble guy, didn't feel comfortable with having it named after himself. The institution was re-named in George Washington's honor as a symbol of unity in the run up to the civil war and Missouri's place as a border state. Washington Territory was newly established during this period, so the State of Washington and certainly the University of Washington came much after Washington University.

I speculate that if this place were called Eliot University, it would have just as good name recognition today outside of medicine as Hopkins, another place where the reputation in medicine relatively outpaces the reputation of the college.

Rest assured though that WashU's reputation within medicine has been steady as a top 10 institution for many decades (at least since the '70s, the oldest national reputation surveys I can find), well before the undergraduate campus gained any significant national reputation. (The chancellor responsible for the latter, Bill Danforth, was previously in charge of the med school and did his residency at Barnes.) If you put any weight on USNWR rankings despite the arbitrariness of their criteria and how often they change, WashU was ranked the #2 medical school in 2003 and 2004, and is consistently #1 in student selectivity. WashU is
  • where Nobelists Sutherland, Nathans, Krebs got their MDs;
  • where Nobelists Sutherland, Krebs, and Kobilka (who won this year's prize in chemistry) did their medical residencies;
  • where Nobelists Erlanger, the Coris, A. Kornberg, Cohen, and Levi-Montalcini did their award-winning research as faculty;
  • where the Washington Manuals originate;
  • where PET scans were developed;
  • where a third of the human genome was decoded and current genetics research is cutting edge (see recent NYTimes articles here and here);

Some notes on size: WashU has the biggest MSTP program in the country. Barnes Jewish Hospital is clinically bigger than MGH, Hopkins, BWH, UCSF, i.e. in terms of beds and annual admissions.

An unsolicited side note on interpreting match lists that I was not aware of when I was applying: Taking extra time to do research helps you in residency applications a little, but sacrificing that time is not a choice everyone wants to make for a possible boost. At some schools but not others, it's more in the culture to take five or more years, even if you don't get an extra degree. Probably 90% of the non-MSTP students at WashU graduate in four years, even though there is more than enough funding for people who want to take research years. I won't believe you if you tell me that the students at WashU are not interested in academics and that's why they don't take a research year like half of HMS students do.

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The $110k was from the unit loan at HMS ($26,950), which was what I thought of when you mentioned research grants, as the HST program offers some research funding for its students during the academic year. A lot of schools, like WashU, have some funding for the summer.
 
How many people applied to wash u this year? Msar data says 3000+ people applied in 2010. Why so little?
 
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I don't think anyone would ever challenge the strength of WashU's medical program. That was never in question. It was just a general observation regarding the school's name and reputation outside of medicine.
 
Great post, thanks chronicidal.

Interesting about the affiliation with the Eliot family. I think there might be something to the idea that the name of the school contributes its having less name recognition with the general public than its reputation merits. It does seem like "Washington University in St. Louis" (especially the need to include the St. Louis part, so people aren't confused about Washington state or Washington, DC) is a bit of a mouthful!
 
Easy solution, WashU just needs someone named Badass to donate billions and ask for his name to be recognized.

" I'd like to welcome the Badass School of Medicine class of 2017 to four years of awesome!"
 
Woah interview invite! And I thought I was done with interviews...I guess I will be visiting St. Louis

Congrats!

Your current avatar reminds me of this little guy...

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...either you should go to your next interview dressed likewise or at bare minimum something similar should be your next avatar 😉
 
Woah interview invite! And I thought I was done with interviews...I guess I will be visiting St. Louis

When were you complete and what're your stats?? If you don't mind me asking! lol
 
When were you complete and what're your stats?? If you don't mind me asking! lol

3.95 GPA, 40Q MCAT, SR: 6/30/12 | SS: 7/1/12 | C: 7/17/12 | II: 10/31/12

A neat trick is that some accounts have MDApps profiles, which is located under their avatar next to their post count/join date. You can click on those and see any information they've shared regarding their application. Click on Tots' profile, it's pretty impressive.

Edit: Before you get confused, mine is a novelty profile and doesn't actually work. Did this for both anonymity's sake as well as multiple users having access to the account.
 
3.95 GPA, 40Q MCAT, SR: 6/30/12 | SS: 7/1/12 | C: 7/17/12 | II: 10/31/12

A neat trick is that some accounts have MDApps profiles, which is located under their avatar next to their post count/join date. You can click on those and see any information they've shared regarding their application. Click on Tots' profile, it's pretty impressive.

Edit: Before you get confused, mine is a novelty profile and doesn't actually work. Did this for both anonymity's sake as well as multiple users having access to the account.

Thanks! That was very helpful... I'm still playing the waiting game with WashU!
 
Woah interview invite! And I thought I was done with interviews...I guess I will be visiting St. Louis


Hey tots- I got an II last night too, I haven't signed up for a date because none of the currently available ones work for me. After you picked a date do they send you information about student hosts?
 
Hey tots- I got an II last night too, I haven't signed up for a date because none of the currently available ones work for me. After you picked a date do they send you information about student hosts?

After you pick a date, you'll have the option to stay in Olin Hall for free. WashU does this instead of student hosting.
 
Yep. Olin is connected to everything else in the med complex, so you just walk downstairs on the morning of the interview. Quite convenient.

Can we stay two nights? Or just one? What time does the interview day end? Just trying to figure out booking my return flight.
 
1st night is free; subsequent nights are $36 IIRC

Thanks KD. Does the interview day end at 5pm? I have no hope of catching a 6:15pm flight that night right? Better to wait till the next day and pay the 36 I think.
 
Thanks KD. Does the interview day end at 5pm? I have no hope of catching a 6:15pm flight that night right? Better to wait till the next day and pay the 36 I think.

I don't remember exactly what they told us anymore, but I for one finished pretty early (2 pm?) with lots of spare time to make my 6:30pm flight out of St. Louis
 
Thanks KD. Does the interview day end at 5pm? I have no hope of catching a 6:15pm flight that night right? Better to wait till the next day and pay the 36 I think.

After you schedule a date they tell you the day should end around 3 pm. I think I will be flying out at 6:15(latest flight I can find).
 
Even if you were done at 5, you'd still be able to make a 6:15 flight. The STL airport is the fastest airport ever.

But you'll definitely be done before 5 anyway.
 
Oh thanks! Did you do this? How was it?

I stayed in Olin Hall before my interview, and it was wondefully convenient, but I was freezing!! I interviewed in early October though, probably before they turned the heat on, so it might not be an issue any more. I would bring warm sleepwear though! 🙂
 
I stayed in Olin Hall before my interview, and it was wondefully convenient, but I was freezing!! I interviewed in early October though, probably before they turned the heat on, so it might not be an issue any more. I would bring warm sleepwear though! 🙂

:laugh: Thanks for the advice! Being from California I am not even sure I own any warm sleep ware...but I will be prepared. I don't understand cold...this is going to be fun(going in December).
 
I stayed in Olin Hall before my interview, and it was wondefully convenient, but I was freezing!! I interviewed in early October though, probably before they turned the heat on, so it might not be an issue any more. I would bring warm sleepwear though! 🙂

Haha I interviewed in mid-October and the heat was blazin. It was actually just a tad too warm for me, and I'm from Southern California. But they also have an extra blanket in the closet if you want extra warmth (at least in my room). The towels were a bit on the thin and stiff side, but I can't really complain since they're provided for free 🙂
 
I'll be getting in around 4pm the day before my interview. What would you recommend I do in the ~4 hours before the pizza party? I'd like to look around the city a bit; where should I go?
 
I'll be getting in around 4pm the day before my interview. What would you recommend I do in the ~4 hours before the pizza party? I'd like to look around the city a bit; where should I go?

The Gateway Arch is pretty cool if you've never been there. You can get there quickly taking the metro as well.
 
I'll be getting in around 4pm the day before my interview. What would you recommend I do in the ~4 hours before the pizza party? I'd like to look around the city a bit; where should I go?

The arch is a must-see! I was in St. Louis for the first time at my interview, and I was really impressed by the arch 🙂 And one thing I wish I had more time to do is check out the Central West End, which is where a lot of Wash U med students live (if they don't live in Olin Hall). I didn't get the chance to see much of it, but it's supposed to be an unusually nice neighborhood of the city. It's right next to the medical campus (and very accessible by the metro).
 
Anyone have an idea of when the first acceptance release date will be? I remember them saying mid/late November?
 
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