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Did they sound like all the official A's had been sent out?
no there was nothing to read between the lines, their answer did not indicate anything either way about decisions that are coming next week
 
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Washerman

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Withdrawing post-interview

News reports like this make me highly skeptical Kaiser truly cares for the average employee/person

Just curious... withdrawing because of the radio silence post interview? Or because of the article?


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Withdrawing post-interview

News reports like this make me highly skeptical Kaiser truly cares for the average employee/person

I was just about to post the same thing. I'm withdrawing too. They just canceled a $900 million building project in Oakland. Makes me think Kaiser might be strap for cash with the economic downturn.
 
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I was just about to post the same thing. I'm withdrawing too. They just canceled a $900 million building project in Oakland. Makes me think Kaiser might be strap for cash with the economic downturn.
In the article it explicitly says the decision was made not because of the coronavirus pandemic.

What confuses me is how people are jumping to conclusions about the medical school based on what is happening at one Kaiser hospital. Seems too rash in my opinion.
 
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Just curious... withdrawing because of the radio silence post interview? Or because of the article?


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I have always been skeptical of an insurance giant being directly involved in healthcare (some posts made before in this thread illustrate that). I fault myself as I doubt had there not been this free-tuition opportunity, I would have given any credence to the idea that they operate out of benevolence, not the bottom-line, and gifted them this benefit of the doubt for so long. Luckily, I am fortunate enough to have an acceptance somewhere else that I feel truly does care about the needs of its staff and local community, so there’s no reason for me to continue being under consideration when I’m no longer interested.

As a semi-side note, I do think how schools/hospitals react during this pandemic is important. It sheds a lot of light into their true priorities and whether profit or life/health is of the utmost importance.
 
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I have always been skeptical of an insurance giant being directly involved in healthcare (some posts made before in this thread illustrate that). I fault myself as I doubt had there not been this free-tuition opportunity, I would have given any credence to the idea that they operate out of benevolence, not the bottom-line, and gifted them this benefit of the doubt for so long. Luckily, I am fortunate enough to have an acceptance somewhere else that I feel truly does care about the needs of its staff and local community, so there’s no reason for me to continue being under consideration when I’m no longer interested.

As a semi-side note, I do think how schools/hospitals react during this pandemic is important. It sheds a lot of light into their true priorities and whether profit or life/health is of the utmost importance.
If in fact nurses were told they would be fired on the spot for wearing their own PPE, that certainly is a bad look and should have been handled differently.

However, your incorrect note about KP as a seemingly for-profit insurance giant which affects care outcomes in a negative way is way off base. Unlike the biggest health insurance companies in the US (United, Anthem, Aetna, Cigna, Humana), which are all for-profit, KP insurance is nonprofit. Their insurance supports their medical groups, which are completely physician led and similar to other medical groups across the country. So, not a nefarious company full of suits that profits at the expense of patients and employees, as you seem to suggest.
 

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So far, KPSOM touts being an independent entity, and it’s thus too early to make a judgment on the medical school over the actions of a section of its parent organization (do the actions of Mayo or Cleveland Clinic necessarily reflect on Mayo SOM or Case Western?).

KPSOM has yet to prove itself either way, so to praise or criticize it is meaningless. I do think though that withdrawing solely over this poor company (again, company =| school) policy or the news that Kaiser is canceling a building project is hasty. The cash funding for KPSOM is locked in for almost the next decade anyway.
 
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So far, KPSOM touts being an independent entity, and it’s thus too early to make a judgment on the medical school over the actions of a section of its parent organization (do the actions of Mayo or Cleveland Clinic necessarily reflect on Mayo SOM or Case Western?).

KPSOM has yet to prove itself either way, so to praise or criticize it is meaningless. I do think though that withdrawing solely over this poor company (again, company =| school) policy or the news that Kaiser is canceling a building project is hasty. The cash funding for KPSOM is locked in for almost the next decade anyway.
I agree with this to a certain extent - except for one thing. Due to Step 1 becoming pass/fail, I do think the likelihood of matching into a Kaiser residency has gone up (that is, I anticipate that if other residencies don't want to take a chance on Kaiser students without a quantifiable Step 1 score, Kaiser residencies will probably take you). If you don't care where you go for residency, this is perfectly fine.

However, I specifically want to avoid matching into Kaiser for residency, which makes me wary of attending. I think there are reasonable points on both sides and it is worth noting that many CA laypeople I spoke to said Kaiser has a great reputation. Additionally, there are a few medical professionals I spoke to who said Kaiser has a unique way of practicing that doesn't transfer well to other systems, but they pay their doctors really well. My takeaway was that the system has its pros and cons and we can't say for sure what will happen. The risk is a calculated one that people should take time contemplating, and the answer is probably different for everyone.
 
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CaliforniaAsian

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I agree with this to a certain extent - except for one thing. Due to Step 1 becoming pass/fail, I do think the likelihood of matching into a Kaiser residency has gone up (that is, I anticipate that if other residencies don't want to take a chance on Kaiser students without a quantifiable Step 1 score, Kaiser residencies will probably take you). If you don't care where you go for residency, this is perfectly fine.

However, I specifically want to avoid matching into Kaiser for residency, which makes me wary of attending. I think there are reasonable points on both sides and it is worth noting that many CA laypeople I spoke to said Kaiser has a great reputation. Additionally, there are a few medical professionals I spoke to who said Kaiser has a unique way of practicing that doesn't transfer well to other systems, but they pay their doctors really well. My takeaway was that the system has its pros and cons and we can't say for sure what will happen. The risk is a calculated one that people should take time contemplating, and the answer is probably different for everyone.
That's certainly true for the first couple of years as the initial classes build KPSOM's reputation to residency directors. I considered and subsequently ignored that point because I am an MD/PhD, so not only are my residency prospects different, I graduate in ~8 years. Long enough for the trailblazers to have proven KPSOM students to be worth their salt ;)
 
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That's certainly true for the first couple of years as the initial classes build KPSOM's reputation to residency directors. I considered and subsequently ignored that point because I am an MD/PhD, so not only are my residency prospects different, I graduate in ~8 years. Long enough for the trailblazers to have proven themselves to be worth their free tuition ;)
Yup, the choice is going to be different for everyone, and I think you're making a well-reasoned decision based on your own situation!
I don't think decisions here are as simple as "Free = Attend " "Kaiser is bad = Don't attend".
Additionally, I encourage a healthy skepticism of ALL corporations and institutions. We are all going to sign our lives away to one for 4 years, and I think a new school is especially deserving of extra scrutiny.
 

Kabloozey

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So anyone here anything new? Weeks almost over.
 

Kabloozey

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its going down next week, may the odds be in your favor
Oh final decisions are next week? I thought they were BY next week.

Does anyone know if there are even spots left?

I know COVID is understandably screwing stuff up. Hell I'm feeling it hard. I get the joy of having to file for unemployment now each week and find new creative ways to workout.
 

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Oh final decisions are next week? I thought they were BY next week.

Does anyone know if there are even spots left?
They were required to give out at least 48 A’s a few weeks ago. So we’re all just waiting to hear about WL vs R, except possibly a couple additional A’s if accepted people have withdrawn their applications


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I don't think there are any spots (for now), there are at least 60 applicants on the FB page, so they definitely admitted more than 48 students
Darn, but good to know. I'm happy for them. It's an awesome opportunity.
 
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Since COVID-19 is still a big part of everyone’s lives. I wanted to share what KPSOM has said about the situation for applicants that may be admitted in the future due to others releasing their acceptances. I’m sharing this because I think it’s important that people know who a medical school truly is and what they value. With this being their inaugural class there aren’t prior classes to observe their response. At the 2nd look what they made clear is that KPSOM is a separate entity from Kaiser Permanente. Meaning that if you have different opinions and want to advocate for something that is against KP this school will teach you how to advocate for that. Specifically for COVID-19, they have set up a fund in the form of a grant for students affected financially by the virus and that they are exploring remote learning if the virus has not leveled out by the start of classes.

For me, this made me feel a lot more secure in my decision to attend the school. Hope this information helps some people.
 

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Yup, the choice is going to be different for everyone, and I think you're making a well-reasoned decision based on your own situation!
I don't think decisions here are as simple as "Free = Attend " "Kaiser is bad = Don't attend".
Additionally, I encourage a healthy skepticism of ALL corporations and institutions. We are all going to sign our lives away to one for 4 years, and I think a new school is especially deserving of extra scrutiny.
I think this is a great attitude. Similarly, not for profit does not necessarily equate to goodness or altruism.
 
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