WAMC: What Are My Chances

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sm4angel said:
Hi All,

I am also in a somewhat unique position as I was not a psychology major as an undergraduate (graduated 2010 from a competitive college with a BS in Biological Sciences). I took a few psych classes to fulfill general ed requirements and did relatively well (As and Bs). I was a pre-med student (pressured into it by my parents) and have been working towards that since graduation without any luck. However, I have begun to realize that I'm simply unhappy with the track that I have been on. My interest in psychology has always been a huge part of my life, but simply put on the back burner because my parents were gunning for medical school which is whole other story. Anyway, I wanted to apply for PsyD programs, but dont really know what to do to be a competitive applicant. Here are my stats:

UGPA: 2.95 - my major was biological sciences which was one the hardest majors at my school
Masters gpa: 2.8 - did a masters in biomedical sciences to get into medical and hated every minute of it
3 years of research experience with excellent LORs - mostly neuroimaging/neuropsych research with developmentally disable kids so I've had experience doing behavioral testing as well imaging testing (MRI, EEG...etc)

I haven't taken the GRE, but plan to soon. Since my gpa is so low I was planning to take some psychology classes at a local college (kind of like a post-bacc) to show my competence in the sugbject as well as take the psych subject GRE. I know people have suggested going the masters route, which I dont mind doing if A) the masters could lead to a career as well and B) would help me get into PsyD programs. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what kind of masters I should be getting (MSW, MA, MS...etc) and in what subject (clincal counseling, clinical psychology...etc). Any and all advice would be much appreciated.

PS. Anyone know anything about the PhD program at stanford? Is it in conjunction with Palo Alto University or are they two separate things?
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What I understand is that you felt compelled to do medicine to please your parents and followed their advice for a very long time – long enough to complete a master's degree. Yet, I do not see a concrete goal you want to achieve by obtaining a doctorate in psychology. It sounds like a big jump to me to have taken a few psychology classes to wanting to get a doctorate. What makes you so sure that this is the career you want to pursue?

Your undergrad and grad GPAs are concerning because they show a trend. Now, it could be that it's just a reflection of being in the wrong field but programs aren't going to like this because they're going to wonder 1) does she really want to a doctorate in psychology?, 2) if so, why?, and 3) will she succeed?

I think the most important thing to do right now is to address your GPA, GRE scores, and work on getting research experience. Since you GPA is not up to par with other competitive applicants, I would suggest that you enroll in a master's program to bring it up.

The thing is that there are general/experimental and applied master's degrees (MSW, MA/MS counseling, etc.). The former is more research oriented and many students follow this course to bring up their GPA or get more research experience. In my opinion, I think this is a gamble because there are many students who take this option and still do not get into programs. But, these programs generally give you more exposure to research experience (which is what doctoral programs want). Granted, some people may get in after reapplying, but there is no guarantee that a program will take you after having completed an experimental master's. Your best bet would be to go to a program that places many of their graduates in PhD/PsyD programs.

The latter is more for people who want to be clinicians, so such programs are more focused on applied work and are generally less research heavy. These types of degrees help you get a job after you're done but it's not necessarily the best option if you want to get a doctorate. Again, I say this because doctoral programs want research experience, PsyDs included (even though PsyDs may be less research intensive, you're still getting a doctorate, which is by nature a research degree). So the applied programs may not give you that much research experience (generally speaking), but if things don't work out and you don't get in anywhere, you'll still have something practical to fall back on.

If you need help with the GREs, you can always enroll in a class with Kaplan or PR or just study for a long time and do well. I'd aim for 1400+ (on the old system) if I were you. I'd also suggest that you think about what exactly you want to research and aim towards getting research experience in that particular area of study. Work on presenting at conferences, get your name on a paper, and in general just become active in the lab.

This all goes back to your goals. If you want to become primarily a clinician and/or if you don't like research, I don't see any advantage to getting a PsyD/PhD. If you do the math, you're looking at 1 – 2 years for taking classes or finishing up a master's program then 5 – 6 years for a doctorate. Is it worth it? With a master's, you can get out in 2 years and practice. But, if your goal is to do research, enter academia, etc. then the PhD would be the way to go.
 
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sm4angel said:
3 years of research experience with excellent LORs - mostly neuroimaging/neuropsych research with developmentally disable kids so I've had experience doing behavioral testing as well imaging testing (MRI, EEG...etc)
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Kappadocia said:
I think the most important thing to do right now is to address your GPA, GRE scores, and work on getting research experience...

The thing is that there are general/experimental and applied master’s degrees (MSW, MA/MS counseling, etc.). The former is more research oriented and many students follow this course to bring up their GPA or get more research experience. In my opinion, I think this is a gamble because there are many students who take this option and still do not get into programs. But, these programs generally give you more exposure to research experience (which is what doctoral programs want)...

...doctoral programs want research experience, PsyDs included (even though PsyDs may be less research intensive, you’re still getting a doctorate, which is by nature a research degree). So the applied programs may not give you that much research experience (generally speaking), but if things don’t work out and you don't get in anywhere, you’ll still have something practical to fall back on.

...I'd also suggest that you think about what exactly you want to research and aim towards getting research experience in that particular area of study. Work on presenting at conferences, get your name on a paper, and in general just become active in the lab.

This all goes back to your goals. If you want to become primarily a clinician and/or if you don’t like research, I don’t see any advantage to getting a PsyD/PhD.
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Kapp, the OP said s/he has 3 years of research experience. Why the emphasis on getting research experience before applying?? That seems to be the least of the OP's concerns!
 
Thanks for the advice! I guess I should have explained why I want to go the psychology route instead of medicine. Although on paper it seems as though I've been much more medicine oriented, my personality and my goals have always been more aligned with psychology. In high school, I shadowed a psychologist and fell in love with the profession. Had I stood up for what I wanted, I most definitely would have majored in psychology in college and the psychology classes I did take were probably my favorite classes and the ones that I learned the most in (and got the best grades in). Also, ALL of my research has been neuropsych oriented, so I've definitely had the opportunity to work with PsyD/PhDs who do research as well as clinical work. I'm definitely not going into this blind or on a whim. At the end of the day, I would prefer to work clinically so maybe a masters would be more beneficial for me from what you're saying, but I've also been told that job opportunities are available to those who choose to pursue doctorate level esp PsyD.

In terms of my gpa, would a post-bacc not be a good route for me? Let me know your thoughts, and again thanks for all the input.
 
Psychadelic2012 said:
Kapp, the OP said s/he has 3 years of research experience. Why the emphasis on getting research experience before applying?? That seems to be the least of the OP's concerns!
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I don’t think her research experience is the weakest part of her application, but I think it needs work. My recommendations were aimed towards helping her make the most out of her time so she can craft a solid application package to the committee. The thing that struck me while reading her post is that it seems that she lacks focus and direction. Because I’ve received consistent advice that an applicant’s career thus far needs to make sense and follow a particular theme, I believe that addressing the research would help her in that regard.

Unless she wants to do neuropsych or DD research, I don’t think that her research experience will be a significant boon for her overall application. Will it satisfy requirements? I think so. But I think she needs something more to compensate for her poor academic background, especially since didn’t mention having any presentations, publications, or otherwise. If that’s true (that there’s no tangible evidence of research potential after three years of experience and a master’s degree), I think that’s significant.

Anyway, all of these things will greatly help her application and I think will put her over the top if she does work in a field specific to what she wants to study in the future. In my opinion, it is not enough to have simply any type research experience anymore; committees want people who are focused and know what they want. I did not get that sense from reading her post. Why would they want to pick her over many other applicants who have spent years studying what they want to do, with the grades and research experience to back it up?

OP - My advice was only meant to guide you in the right direction. Good luck.
 
sm4angel said:
Thanks for the advice! I guess I should have explained why I want to go the psychology route instead of medicine. Although on paper it seems as though I've been much more medicine oriented, my personality and my goals have always been more aligned with psychology. In high school, I shadowed a psychologist and fell in love with the profession. Had I stood up for what I wanted, I most definitely would have majored in psychology in college and the psychology classes I did take were probably my favorite classes and the ones that I learned the most in (and got the best grades in). Also, ALL of my research has been neuropsych oriented, so I've definitely had the opportunity to work with PsyD/PhDs who do research as well as clinical work. I'm definitely not going into this blind or on a whim. At the end of the day, I would prefer to work clinically so maybe a masters would be more beneficial for me from what you're saying, but I've also been told that job opportunities are available to those who choose to pursue doctorate level esp PsyD.

In terms of my gpa, would a post-bacc not be a good route for me? Let me know your thoughts, and again thanks for all the input.
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Ah, I just saw your latest response after submitting my reply lol

Anyway, it’s good that you have a neuropsych background since some type of research experience will help you. I understand that your personality is more aligned with psychology – but the programs don’t know that. All they’ll have is a personal statement weighed against transcripts and a CV that’s geared toward medicine/natural sciences/maybe some psychology mixed in. They will think, “if she’s personally aligned with the social sciences, why the emphasis on medicine? And why such performance if she decided to study the natural sciences for a graduate degree?” I’m just trying to help you understand their perspective.

Personally, I don’t think the PsyD is the most economical use of your time and/or money based on what your goals are, especially since you said you really want to do clinical work. Unless you want to teach or something, I think the master’s would be the best route. Even if you want to teach, I have noticed that most the faculty at 4-year institutions are PhDs, not PsyDs (though there are exceptions).

I think that the flexibility that comes with the PhD/PsyD is based on research work, teaching experience, etc. Both degrees require research experience and interest. If you have a solid research background, you’ll be more attractive to universities if you want a faculty position. Even PsyDs who work at VAs, medical centers, etc. have a good research background. I’ve spoken to many psychologists, and I agree with their assessment, that the wave is moving more towards doctoral level psychologists taking part in the research/scholarly aspect of clinical psychology and MA level clinicians being responsible for disseminating treatment. (Of course, you’ll have doctoral level psychologists seeing clients, too.) This emphasis has always been there, but I think the distinction is getting stronger between the two.

There are a lot of postbacc programs for med, but there isn’t really such a thing in psychology except for theoretical/experimental master’s programs. If you ace (literally get a 4.0) your classes in such a program, it should help IMO.
 
***** said:
Hi all,

So, I'm currently a senior undergraduate student at Georgia State University. I'm majoring in Psychology (BS) with minors in Sociology and Cognitive Science and am graduating this Summer. I've done research in three different labs all pertaining to PTSD/domestic abuse in low-income, pediatric populations.

I have secondary/primary authorship on several poster presentations with highly esteemed clinical faculty from Emory University and Georgia State, one of which I was primary author on was presented at an international conference in France. I have primary authorship on my honors thesis, which should be published this Summer in the international Journal of Arts & Sciences and am second author on an article to be presented in the Depression and Anxiety Journal.

I am graduating with roughly a 3.6, and I am also 19 years old (which is probably more of a hindrance than a bragging right, but it does mean that I still have some time to make up for any weaknesses in my stats). I am on very good terms with several professors/PI's that I've worked/coauthored with, so I'm not worried about LoR's. I'm taking this next year off to take the GRE and get all of my applications in order, so I am applying for Clinical PhD programs starting in Fall '13. I am moving from Atlanta, GA to Baton Rouge, LA this Fall and will be doing psychometrics with a PsyD as well as further research on PTSD (Specifically in populations of hurricane survivors). My research interests are fairly broad (pediatrics, PTSD, domestic abuse, domestic violence, minority populations, etc.), so I have a wide array of schools to pick from when applying.

Below is a summary of my stats:

STATS:
University: Georgia State University, BS
GPA: 3.6
Publications: 4 primary author, 3 secondary author (I'm expecting to publish a lot more during my year off)
Research Experience: 2.5 years 20 hours/week
GRE: I haven't taken it yet, but I tend to score well on standardized tests and am giving myself ample time to prepare for it.
Letters of Recommendation:
1.) PI I've coauthored with/worked with for years (He's an MD (Psychiatry) /PhD (Biochemistry) from Harvard and is part of Emory School of Medicine's Psychiatry faculty. He's one of two PI's for the largest civilian study of PTSD in the US)
2.) PI I've coauthored with/worked with for years (PhD in Clinical Psychology, Director of the VA for PTSD, Emory Clinical Psychology Faculty, He's the second PI for the largest civilian study of PTSD in the US)
3.) PI/Professor I've coauthored with/worked with for years (PhD in Community Psychology, She's highly esteemed in community psychology and is an expert in culturally relevant violence interventions, She is also the mentor for my honors thesis)
4.) PI/Professor I've worked with for years (PhD Clinical Psychology, He is the director of graduate studies at Georgia State and is an expert in pediatric clinical psychology)
5.) Professor who is my cognitive science mentor/professor I studied abroad with (PhD in Cognitive Psychology from Princeton)

Only thing I'm concerned with in regard to my LoR's is that most schools only allow students to turn in 3 or 4, and I'm not sure, which 3 or 4 out of the 5 I provided I should pick from. I've heard that it's important to have a professor who has actually taught you write an LoR (#5 is the only one who has done that), but I also know that it's crucial to highlight your research experience, and letters #1 - #4 all highlight different parts of my research experience.

Below are some of the schools I'm considering, in no particular order:

University of Southern California
Emory University
Louisiana State University
Georgetown
NYU (Counseling Psychology)
University of Miami
University of Maryland: College Park
University of Washington
University of Central Florida
Columbia
Georgia State University
UCLA

I feel like I have too many 'long shot' schools selected right now, so I want to try and find some more state universities with decent programs as quasi-safeties. I appreciate all your input, and please don't hesitate to ask if you want to know anything else. Additionally, I know that the GRE is a major factor in admissions, so I understand that it's difficult to forecast my acceptance offers without having taken the exam yet. Apologies for such a long post; I've just been going crazy lately trying to figure everything out - One of the graduate students I've been working with lately told me that her CV had over two pages full of publications she was on before she applied to grad school, so needless to say I've been convincing myself that I'm terribly behind everyone else applying for '13.
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There will always be someone with better stats than you, so don't worry. Make sure you tell a coherent story in terms of your research interests and background and that you have a good match with your POIs, and you'll be fine.
 
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nessa34 said:
There will always be someone with better stats than you, so don't worry. Make sure you tell a coherent story in terms of your research interests and background and that you have a good match with your POIs, and you'll be fine.
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Agreed. I don't know whether or not I'm the norm (haven't looked much into the stats lately myself), but back when I applied, I was accepted without any publications. I can say with certainty, though, that having two pages' worth of co-authored posters and publications isn't the norm pre-admission. Based on your stats, and if you're able to have a strong showing on the GRE, I'd say you should be rather competitive at most of the programs you've listed.

As for rec letters, I personally have never heard that one should/must come from someone who's taught you; I think that's probably just the norm for most people, as they may not have three or four PIs available. Might vary from program to program as well. I say just include whichever of the three or four you feel will write the strongest letters, and be sure NOT to include more letters than asked for by the programs to which you apply.
 
Yeah I am not sure if it matters if you have a class professor write a letter. I actually would view that as a negative, meaning that the students couldn't come up with a better reference than that? I mean, you can see the grade from the course. I teach and I get students asking me to write letters for them. I usually do it, but I tell them to go with a better option if they can find one.

Letters from research or work supervisors are going to be a much better indicator. I was admitted years back with a letter from my research mentor and letters from two work/clinical supervisors (worked in paraclinical positions).
 
Hey Everyone!

I just wanted to see if anyone knows the competitiveness of school/educational psychology programs. I have spent the last three 1/2 years as a high school special education teacher specializing in students with ED & LD in the transition age group.

Stats:

Undergrad GPA: 3.85 - Double Major in Elementary / Early Childhood Education with a minor in Special Education

Masters GPA: 4.0 - Educational Specialist - in Emotional Disorders, Learning Disabilities, & Developmental Cognitive Disorder

GRE - I am taking it in June.

Letters of Recommendation - 1 - Special Education Dean 2 - Supervisor 3 - Academic adviser 4 - Superintendent 4 - Principal 5 - Professor / colleague

Publications - ZERO 🙁

Research - Thesis for my Masters

Awards/Honors - Magna Cum Laude, Dean's List, Atheletic Academic Honor Roll, Gamma Sigma Alpha (honor society), Order or Omega (leadership society), and Delta Kappa Gamma (teacher excellence society)

I would like to focus on suicide, depression, and emotional disorders in the teenage population. I had one of my students a year ago commit suicide, and it validated my decision to get my PhD.

The schools I am considering are:

University of Minnesota
University of Wisconsin
Duquesne
University of Denver
University of North Carolina
University of Texas
Harvard
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor
Northwestern University
University of Kansas

Any ideas or tips for me on how to stand out?
 
This was a post from last month, but I didn't get any feedback. Thanks in advance!



Hi Folks!

After going through a good amount of posts, I'm ready to take the plunge and ask WAMC!

Here is my story:
UGPA: 3.4
PsychGPA: 3.5
Major: Psychology w/ Concentration in Cognitive Neuroscience (from GWU)

Decided to join Teach for America (personal reasons, I came from a low-income background and wanted to give back to a similar community). Had to get my MAT (Masters in Art of Teaching) from American University. GPA: 3.85.

PsychGRE practice tests are around a 700 (taken last month), haven't taken the general test (plan to do that this summer)

Worked in the ER as a research assistant doing HIV swab tests, animal behavior research at the National Zoo.

Currently I am a research assistant at an autism surveillance study funded by the CDC, I've been there for two years, with experience in almost every step of the research process. Through this, I have 5 posters (at 2 national, at 2 international conferences), and oral presentation at an international conference and 1 first author paper which will hopefully be published. Pretty solid LORs from this.

Frankly, I'm overwhelmed with the application process, but I would like to apply to Clinical PhD programs and would probably apply to PsyD programs as well. Could anyone point out some good reaches/possibilities? There are about 50 schools on my list and I'm curious to see what people would say) I could see myself working with general developmental disabilities, not necessarily autism. I'd want some the program to be partially funded and I REALLY want/need to stay in the Northeast for family reasons.

So, WAMC?
 
Please help, I'm freaking out thinking I have NO chance and I've worked SO hard. I feel double majoring screwed up my GPA. I really want to get into a Psy.D. program with a specialization in forensic psychology.

My majors: psychology, and interdisciplinary methods for elementary education certification (as a sophomore I thought maybe I wanted to do the Masters in Teaching program, but wanted to major in psychology too, to keep all my options open. I've known since this past year psychology is what I want to do though, no matter what). Forensic psychology that is.
Minors: Criminal justice and natural science.

I'm a junior, after this semester I'll probably have around a a 3.3 accumulative grade point. The semester after that probably a 3.38 and my last semester it will probably jump up to a 3.45 and will probably graduate with that. My grades have continued to go up every year.

I am studying for the GRE all this summer.

My clinical experience : I work as Court Appointed Special Advocate. I investigate cases for children whom have been declared in imminent danger by the police department for being abusing or neglected (or a lot of times, both). I have to use my critical thinking skills I gained through my educational background to figure out a case and figure out my next lead. I have read many mental health evaluations (which I ask the judge for a court order for). I have learned how to communicate with a diverse group of people, and people who come from a low socioeconomic background. They way I can read the mental health assessments is because of my psychology background. Working with the children I am advocating for, who are victims of abuse, my psychology background has really helped me also. It's all about building rapport with my children so they trust me and confide in me. I also know fairly well what goes on inside a courtroom (especially for family court), which should help if I want to become a forensic psychologist.

-Does teaching for about 80 hours count? I've taught 5th grade and kindergarten.

Research experience :
I took RDA - so has everyone else, lol.
This summer, I will be working with my professor on a new project. It's really good and will tie into everything I did with my clinical experience. I will be the research project leader all next year, and hopefully we will go to conference, and by a long shot, get something published (doubt that). Point is I'll have research experience from this summer and next year.

I really wanted to apply this fall, where my grades will only be a 3.3 and my research experience will only be about half done. However, won't they see the potential I have?
I want to apply to
Florida Institute of Technology
University of Denver
Pacific in Oregon
And Nova... if I have to (I've heard bad things about that program)

With a 3.3 and my background experience should I just try to apply this fall? Assuming I do OK on the GRE?

Or should I wait till I graduate with about a 3.45 and apply after I graduate? And even with a 3.45 do I have a chance to get into these Psy.D. programs? I really like them because I can specialize in forensic psychology (which is my dream)!

Any help would be SOOOO appreciated.

Hope there are no typos, have to run to a final .
 
StephNeves said:
This was a post from last month, but I didn't get any feedback. Thanks in advance!



Hi Folks!

After going through a good amount of posts, I'm ready to take the plunge and ask WAMC!

Here is my story:
UGPA: 3.4
PsychGPA: 3.5
Major: Psychology w/ Concentration in Cognitive Neuroscience (from GWU)

Decided to join Teach for America (personal reasons, I came from a low-income background and wanted to give back to a similar community). Had to get my MAT (Masters in Art of Teaching) from American University. GPA: 3.85.

PsychGRE practice tests are around a 700 (taken last month), haven't taken the general test (plan to do that this summer)

Worked in the ER as a research assistant doing HIV swab tests, animal behavior research at the National Zoo.

Currently I am a research assistant at an autism surveillance study funded by the CDC, I've been there for two years, with experience in almost every step of the research process. Through this, I have 5 posters (at 2 national, at 2 international conferences), and oral presentation at an international conference and 1 first author paper which will hopefully be published. Pretty solid LORs from this.

Frankly, I'm overwhelmed with the application process, but I would like to apply to Clinical PhD programs and would probably apply to PsyD programs as well. Could anyone point out some good reaches/possibilities? There are about 50 schools on my list and I'm curious to see what people would say) I could see myself working with general developmental disabilities, not necessarily autism. I'd want some the program to be partially funded and I REALLY want/need to stay in the Northeast for family reasons.

So, WAMC?
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If you get high general GRE scores I think you have a good shot at a spot, especially if you apply to labs that do autism research. Unfortunately I have no idea about that research area but I'd apply to every lab in the Northeast that has an autism focus. Programs view fit as important and you don't have to commit to working in autism research for the rest of your career but it's the area you have experience in now so I'd use that strength to get into a program.

In their minds you do have to compensate for that UG GPA so I think a high GRE score is crucial.
 
leah1991 said:
Please help, I'm freaking out thinking I have NO chance and I've worked SO hard. I feel double majoring screwed up my GPA. I really want to get into a Psy.D. program with a specialization in forensic psychology.
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When I looked at Psy.D. programs 3 years ago a 3.4 wasn't prohibitive. Just look at the programs and their average GPA for entering class and base your judgement on that.

Also a forensic psych specialization or track is more of a marketing tactic than a substantive advantage. You should be looking at any program where you can get good neuropsychology practicum experience.
 
roubs said:
When I looked at Psy.D. programs 3 years ago a 3.4 wasn't prohibitive. Just look at the programs and their average GPA for entering class and base your judgement on that.

Also a forensic psych specialization or track is more of a marketing tactic than a substantive advantage. You should be looking at any program where you can get good neuropsychology practicum experience.
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Thank you! I'll look into that.
I know, the problem is, the average of people entering in have a 3.5 :/

is a 3.4 unreasonable ? Or close enough maybe to a 3.5 if they only require a 3.0 or 3.3, but the average is a 3.5?
 
leah1991 said:
Thank you! I'll look into that.
I know, the problem is, the average of people entering in have a 3.5 :/

is a 3.4 unreasonable ? Or close enough maybe to a 3.5 if they only require a 3.0 or 3.3, but the average is a 3.5?
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I'm truly not trying to be condescending but you know that having an 3.5 average for admitted students means they admit a lot of people in the 3.4 area. If you do well on the GRE that should help you a lot considering your GPA is only slightly below the avg.
 
Yes, it just sucks knowing I could have had a 3.6 without all my education classes. I'd rather be above average, way better chance of getting in. But, I guess I have an okay chance.


Would you suggest applying in the fall for 2013 with a gpa of only 3.3 ? Or wait until I finish undergrad when my research experience will be done with and my GPA is 3.4 something? OR should I apply to all 3 schools both times?


Also, do you think my clinical experience working as a court appointed special advocate will help me at all with being admitted?
 
leah1991 said:
Yes, it just sucks knowing I could have had a 3.6 without all my education classes. I'd rather be above average, way better chance of getting in. But, I guess I have an okay chance.


Would you suggest applying in the fall for 2013 with a gpa of only 3.3 ? Or wait until I finish undergrad when my research experience will be done with and my GPA is 3.4 something? OR should I apply to all 3 schools both times?


Also, do you think my clinical experience working as a court appointed special advocate will help me at all with being admitted?
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Clinical experience is an asset and will strengthen your app, another thing that will strengthen your app is waiting a year and having more experience, better stats, more $ in the bank. Is it possible to get in now? Yes, but you'll have a better shot and can aim for a higher program by waiting a cycle which is what I'd recommend. Also apply to 12 schools instead of 3 :/
 
roubs said:
Clinical experience is an asset and will strengthen your app, another thing that will strengthen your app is waiting a year and having more experience, better stats, more $ in the bank. Is it possible to get in now? Yes, but you'll have a better shot and can aim for a higher program by waiting a cycle which is what I'd recommend. Also apply to 12 schools instead of 3 :/
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There aren't that many Psy.D. programs that I am interested in, and I definitely don't want to get a Ph.D.

I'm pretty sure those are the schools I want to get into because of the focuses they offer. I also don't think I have high enough scores GPA wise, and probably GRE wise (when I take it), to get into better Psy.D. programs, but okay, that's a good point. It can never hurt to apply to more.

I'll probably apply just to three this fall, and then if I don't get accepted, apply to a lot more after.

Thank you so much for your help!
 
leah1991 said:
There aren't that many Psy.D. programs that I am interested in, and I definitely don't want to get a Ph.D.

I'm pretty sure those are the schools I want to get into because of the focuses they offer. I also don't think I have high enough scores GPA wise, and probably GRE wise (when I take it), to get into better Psy.D. programs, but okay, that's a good point. It can never hurt to apply to more.

I'll probably apply just to three this fall, and then if I don't get accepted, apply to a lot more after.

Thank you so much for your help!
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Sure but I just want to stress again that most people who go into forensic psych did NOT attend a Psy.D. program with a track. That track is meant to attract students like you so you might overlook a program's less flattering APA match rate or class size of 60-100, not give you some special edge over other students at other programs. It's unlikely to give you any kind of edge.
 
roubs said:
Sure but I just want to stress again that most people who go into forensic psych did NOT attend a Psy.D. program with a track. That track is meant to attract students like you so you might overlook a program's less flattering APA match rate or class size of 60-100, not give you some special edge over other students at other programs. It's unlikely to give you any kind of edge.
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Ok, thank you so much for the information, that is what I felt about NOVA.
 
Hey everybody,

I am going to be applying to clinical psych Ph.D programs this fall, but am wondering if you guys think I'd really be considered. I am from a regional university and am getting a B.S. in psychology with a minor in biology (cell and molecular concentration). I am slightly confused as to what GPA to use, however. Should I use my main institution's GPA or add in transfer credits?

Overall GPA (so far): Between a 3.34 and a 3.44 as my grades have not all been posted for his past semester. However, with transfers it would be between a 3.53 and 3.58.

Psych GPA: 3.9

Last 2 years GPA (so far): Between a 3.7 and 3.81.

GRE: 1040. I do not feel that I was really prepared for it, but it is what it is and I am taking the new GRE hopefully this summer. I'm still determining whether I need to take the psychGRE.

Research experience: 3rd author on a poster presentation at a regional psychological conference. I just finished my manuscript for an experiment I co-authored with my professor. We plan on presenting posters for it at national and regional conferences and may send it for publication. I am currently working on a manuscript with another professor for publication in a journal that contacted her asking if she would send a paper, so we are somewhat confident it will be accepted. I've worked in one lab for over a year now and will continue until I graduate. I will be submitting more posters with this lab during the fall.

Clinical experience: None so far. I am hoping to volunteer or shadow at a local mental hospital the second half of summer, but that is not definite.

Extracurricular: I am a Psi Chi member and am the historian for the '12-'13 year.

LOR: I only have 2 definite ones. 1) Just completed that manuscript with and have taken several classes with her. 2) Am working on the current manuscript with and have worked in her lab for a year now. I will be taking a class with her in the fall. 3) ? We have a small department and no clinical staff so I don't really know what to do. I might just volunteer in another person's lab and hope for the best although some one suggested getting the Psi Chi adviser to write it as I'd be getting to know him better being an officer. What do you guys think would be best?

Other: I was diagnosed with Lupus (and some other fun autoimmune disorders) my 3rd semester of college. I plan on mentioning this in my statement of purpose as it is relevant and still effects my GPA. My GPA has gone from being around 3.0 those first few semesters to being on the Dean's List for (now) 4 semesters in a row. One of my professors said that I could really show my dedication as a student by talking about this also as the only times I've missed classes (even before my lupus was controlled and I almost had a heart attack from going up the stairs thanks to severe anemia) is when I had to get medical procedures done.

However, I am somewhat scared that this would scare off some schools thinking that I would not be able to finish due to my chronic illnesses. I was given advice that as long as I didn't "drop a bomb" and leave it that it could really make me stand out as an applicant.

Some possible schools I'll apply to: UNT, LSU, UT-Austin, UC-Boulder, UAB (medical clinical psych), and probably some more. The only ones I'm definitely going to apply to are the first three.


Also, in the case that I do not get in anywhere do you think it would be helpful to stay at my undergrad and turn my bio minor into a second major until the next cycle or to try to find a master's program in either clinical psych or experimental psych? Only problem with the masters programs is that in like 99% of the Ph.D programs you can't transfer anything. The problem with the bio major is that it would most likely lower my GPA. I've also been thinking of applying to med school the next cycle, but my heart is pretty set on clinical psych.

Sorry this is so long and thanks in advance!
 
mewtoo said:
Hey everybody,

I am going to be applying to clinical psych Ph.D programs this fall, but am wondering if you guys think I'd really be considered. I am from a regional university and am getting a B.S. in psychology with a minor in biology (cell and molecular concentration). I am slightly confused as to what GPA to use, however. Should I use my main institution's GPA or add in transfer credits?

Overall GPA (so far): Between a 3.34 and a 3.44 as my grades have not all been posted for his past semester. However, with transfers it would be between a 3.53 and 3.58.

Psych GPA: 3.9

Last 2 years GPA (so far): Between a 3.7 and 3.81.

GRE: 1040. I do not feel that I was really prepared for it, but it is what it is and I am taking the new GRE hopefully this summer. I'm still determining whether I need to take the psychGRE.

Research experience: 3rd author on a poster presentation at a regional psychological conference. I just finished my manuscript for an experiment I co-authored with my professor. We plan on presenting posters for it at national and regional conferences and may send it for publication. I am currently working on a manuscript with another professor for publication in a journal that contacted her asking if she would send a paper, so we are somewhat confident it will be accepted. I've worked in one lab for over a year now and will continue until I graduate. I will be submitting more posters with this lab during the fall.

Clinical experience: None so far. I am hoping to volunteer or shadow at a local mental hospital the second half of summer, but that is not definite.

Extracurricular: I am a Psi Chi member and am the historian for the '12-'13 year.

LOR: I only have 2 definite ones. 1) Just completed that manuscript with and have taken several classes with her. 2) Am working on the current manuscript with and have worked in her lab for a year now. I will be taking a class with her in the fall. 3) ? We have a small department and no clinical staff so I don't really know what to do. I might just volunteer in another person's lab and hope for the best although some one suggested getting the Psi Chi adviser to write it as I'd be getting to know him better being an officer. What do you guys think would be best?

Other: I was diagnosed with Lupus (and some other fun autoimmune disorders) my 3rd semester of college. I plan on mentioning this in my statement of purpose as it is relevant and still effects my GPA. My GPA has gone from being around 3.0 those first few semesters to being on the Dean's List for (now) 4 semesters in a row. One of my professors said that I could really show my dedication as a student by talking about this also as the only times I've missed classes (even before my lupus was controlled and I almost had a heart attack from going up the stairs thanks to severe anemia) is when I had to get medical procedures done.

However, I am somewhat scared that this would scare off some schools thinking that I would not be able to finish due to my chronic illnesses. I was given advice that as long as I didn't "drop a bomb" and leave it that it could really make me stand out as an applicant.

Some possible schools I'll apply to: UNT, LSU, UT-Austin, UC-Boulder, UAB (medical clinical psych), and probably some more. The only ones I'm definitely going to apply to are the first three.


Also, in the case that I do not get in anywhere do you think it would be helpful to stay at my undergrad and turn my bio minor into a second major until the next cycle or to try to find a master's program in either clinical psych or experimental psych? Only problem with the masters programs is that in like 99% of the Ph.D programs you can't transfer anything. The problem with the bio major is that it would most likely lower my GPA. I've also been thinking of applying to med school the next cycle, but my heart is pretty set on clinical psych.

Sorry this is so long and thanks in advance!
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Your GRE needs to be much higher so definitely focus on that this summer before the fall semester starts (aim for 1300). I would take UT Austin (and probably UC Boulder) off of your list because, quite frankly, they are very top tier and you'll be up against MANY other people with much higher GPAs, (likely) much higher GREs, and much more research experience and/or solid LORs (been there done that, just trying to save you time and money with your applications). Aim for about 8-15 mid range programs in terms of tier due to your GPA and GRE. Really make the most of your current research opportunities by taking the lead on projects and demonstrating your own interests and ability to pursue said interests. As for your health situation, it's been discussed on this forum before but admissions committees and POIs, while glad to see the upturn in your GPA, won't necessarily set you apart because of this challenge you've dealt with and attempted to overcome academically. I wouldn't focus on this aspect of your life as a selling point or as a demonstration of your success despite adversity. Instead I would mention it as something that initially complicated your academic career and quickly go on to discuss your successes in an independent and unrelated light. POIs will be more impressed with your drive to excel in research and your ability to demonstrate maturity, commitment, and competence in a professional setting. Your health situation should not overly define or color your application because it draws away from you and how you fit with their program. If I were you I'd also begin targeting paid RA positions (just in case, following graduation) and research driven master's programs. You may be lucky enough to hit it out of the park on the first go, but many of us had and in-between year or two before we landed a spot in a well funded program. It's good to have back up. Best of luck to you!
 
Yeah, I already knew UT and UC were long shot schools and have mostly given up the idea of applying to UC. I'll probably end up applying to UT, however because the location is close to my family. I realize I probably have no chance of getting in, but a girl can dream, right? I'll end up most likely applying to many doctoral and masters level programs. I wasn't planning on making my health the whole entire focus because I know that no one would want to read that. I wouldn't want to read that. I've just been told it'd be good to not mention it casually, but I also I know I shouldn't go to the other extreme either.

I'm curious, however, as to what schools would be considered mid-tier and, if you know, are most of the ones near Texas mid-tier? I'm having difficulty figuring out which schools I should apply to, especially since I would like to stay near my home state and there really aren't many schools around it. If anyone has a link to a list or a thread that addresses this it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for the advice so far. :]
 
mewtoo said:
Yeah, I already knew UT and UC were long shot schools and have mostly given up the idea of applying to UC. I'll probably end up applying to UT, however because the location is close to my family. I realize I probably have no chance of getting in, but a girl can dream, right? I'll end up most likely applying to many doctoral and masters level programs. I wasn't planning on making my health the whole entire focus because I know that no one would want to read that. I wouldn't want to read that. I've just been told it'd be good to not mention it casually, but I also I know I shouldn't go to the other extreme either.

I'm curious, however, as to what schools would be considered mid-tier and, if you know, are most of the ones near Texas mid-tier? I'm having difficulty figuring out which schools I should apply to, especially since I would like to stay near my home state and there really aren't many schools around it. If anyone has a link to a list or a thread that addresses this it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for the advice so far. :]
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Do you have specific research interests? This should really guide your school choices. You should be applying to work with faculty that currently research your specific interest. You're not going to get in to a PhD program unless you can prove your 'fit'.
 
I'm still trying to figure out my research interests for the most part. I know I'd love to study personality disorders, BPD in particular. I'm having trouble finding programs that have someone studying personality disorders. In the Insider's Guide 2010/2011 version there is only like 4 schools that listed PDs as a research interest. I'm still researching schools and am trying to figure out what schools I have a chance of getting into first. I was going to try and figure out fit after. Unless that's a bad way of going about the whole process?
 
mewtoo said:
I'm still trying to figure out my research interests for the most part. I know I'd love to study personality disorders, BPD in particular. I'm having trouble finding programs that have someone studying personality disorders. In the Insider's Guide 2010/2011 version there is only like 4 schools that listed PDs as a research interest. I'm still researching schools and am trying to figure out what schools I have a chance of getting into first. I was going to try and figure out fit after. Unless that's a bad way of going about the whole process?
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It's just my opinion but I think you should figure out your interests first. It's really one of the most important factors in this decision. You know, you could have absolutely amazing fit with a prof and they end up taking you even though your stats aren't AS good as someone else. People with amazing stats don't get in to grad school all the time and fit could definitely be a big reason.

Taking time off is usually a good option to figure out what you really want to research. I took a few years off to streamline my interests and do more research and I don't regret it for a second.
 
Hi everyone,

I am trying to decide whether I am ready to apply to programs this fall or if I need to wait another year to have the best chances. I majored in psychology undergrad and now work as a clinical research coordinator. Here's my stats: 3.7 GPA, GRE Verbal 165 (equivalent to 690), GRE Quant 159 (equivalent to 750), a first author poster, and a third author on one paper submitted for publication, 2nd author on a manuscript in prep. Also completed a senior honors thesis and will be presenting that at a conference this summer. I have yet to take the GRE subject test. I know if I wait another year I could have between 1 and 3 more publications. My question is do I have enough to be a competitive applicant now or should I wait? The thought of going through the whole process more than once is not too appealing. I am interested in child-focused psychology and have already identified 10-20 programs and POIs that interest me.
 
From what I can tell you would be very competitive now.
 
srl413 said:
Hi everyone,

I am trying to decide whether I am ready to apply to programs this fall or if I need to wait another year to have the best chances. I majored in psychology undergrad and now work as a clinical research coordinator. Here's my stats: 3.7 GPA, GRE Verbal 165 (equivalent to 690), GRE Quant 159 (equivalent to 750), a first author poster, and a third author on one paper submitted for publication, 2nd author on a manuscript in prep. Also completed a senior honors thesis and will be presenting that at a conference this summer. I have yet to take the GRE subject test. I know if I wait another year I could have between 1 and 3 more publications. My question is do I have enough to be a competitive applicant now or should I wait? The thought of going through the whole process more than once is not too appealing. I am interested in child-focused psychology and have already identified 10-20 programs and POIs that interest me.
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Go for it now, you have a competitive application, assuming you go for a good combination of programs and not all top tier.
 
Hi everyone

This board has been very informative and helpful. I've decided to go ahead and reach out to you all regarding my chances for the Fall 2013 admissions cycle.

I just graduated with an M.S. in Counseling Psychology and am seeking admission to the following PsyD programs (and a few PhD programs that are reaches):

Ranges:
PsyD
CW Post- Clinical
Yeshiva- Clinical
Pace- School/Clinical
Florida Tech- Clinical
Hartford- Clinical
Nova- Clinical
Rutgers: Clinical

PhD
Hofstra (PhD- Clinical)
St. Johns (PhD- Clinical)

I am mostly interested in a PsyD but am very drawn toward Hofstra for a few reasons. First, it's my undergraduate alma mater. Second, it's strong emphasis on CBT has me intrigued. It's also my understanding that their research requirement is not as heavy as other PhD programs and the psychology department there was great when I was there.

Here are my credentials as of now:

2.51 Undergraduate GPA ( I know, I had a tough time with some family related issues. As with many others, I know, we all have our own stories and problems. It is what it is).

3.7 Graduate GPA (This is certainly more indicative of my ability).

GRE: Taking in November.
Psy GRE: Taking in Fall

Professional Affiliations
Associate Member of APA
Psi Chi
ACBT Associate Member
1199SEIU

Workshops/Certifications
Cognitive Behavioral Certification Workshop, LIU 2012
Mental Disorders, 1199SEIU Workshop, 2012
Child Abuse and Neglect Certification, 2011
Youth Violence and Prevention Workshop, 2011
PMCS Training, 2011 - Crisis prevention and preventative crisis training for psychiatric emergencies.
Suicide Assessment Workshop, 2011.
(I plan to attend a few more pertinent workshops this summer through my continuing education program for work).

Research:
About to begin a Meta-analysis of different types of medications for Schizophrenia with a Psychiatrist at my job. Possible publication.

Clinical Experience:
Domestic Violence Shelter- Intern Hotline and Case worker (6 months)
Psychiatric Hospital- Evaluation and Admissions Dept (6 months)
Total at time of applications: 1.5 years

Letters: Psychiatrist at my job (research), supervisor at my job(clinical ability), 1-2 professors from graduate program (academic ability), including program director.

Overall: I am hoping my initiative with my graduate GPA, a solid GRE and Psy GRE score, clinical experience, and research experience (though not a lot) will help overcome a low UGPA. In addition, I am not the best standardized test taker. For the sake of argument, I am estimating an average score but really hoping and working toward at least a 1200 on the old scale.

Thoughts? Do i have a shot at a PsyD? Sorry it's long. Just wanted to see what you guys could offer me. I know that a PsyD costs a lot of money and I am prepared to take that on as it comes to me. I just would like to know if I stand a chance at some of those programs or if anyone could make any suggestions?

Thanks
Tom
 
Thank you for everyone's great advice! When is a good time to start contacting POI's? Don't want to be too early and annoy them or too late and seem lazy...
 
I need some help in evaluating my chances, and any advice people are willing to give

Major: Psychology
Minors: Sociology, Neuroscience, Philsophy

Undergraduate University: State School, not a high tier school

Status: Going to be a Junior in the Fall

Current Overall GPA 3.66......Psychology 3.73

GREs--Havn't Taken

Research Experience: Just started a Research Assistant position, but not in my area of interest

Practical Experience: Just started at behavioral medicine center as an activity assistant at the local hospital

.......What's my outlook so far for getting into a clinical psychology program? Is there a good time to take the GREs? Is there anything I have to do specifically to fit into a Science-Practicioner model University?General timeline of things to do? I have the books, but hearing advice from people who are actually doing it too, or who have been there would really help.😕
 
mewtoo said:
Yeah, I already knew UT and UC were long shot schools and have mostly given up the idea of applying to UC. I'll probably end up applying to UT, however because the location is close to my family. I realize I probably have no chance of getting in, but a girl can dream, right? I'll end up most likely applying to many doctoral and masters level programs. I wasn't planning on making my health the whole entire focus because I know that no one would want to read that. I wouldn't want to read that. I've just been told it'd be good to not mention it casually, but I also I know I shouldn't go to the other extreme either.

I'm curious, however, as to what schools would be considered mid-tier and, if you know, are most of the ones near Texas mid-tier? I'm having difficulty figuring out which schools I should apply to, especially since I would like to stay near my home state and there really aren't many schools around it. If anyone has a link to a list or a thread that addresses this it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for the advice so far. :]
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It might be helpful to go to some major BPD websites (maybe ones associated with APA or other professional organizations) and look for a section listing current research grants and the PIs who have received such grants. Some professors may not outright state their specific interests (or perhaps some will wade into new research areas) but if you get a look at their current projects (grants are a plus) it might give you a better picture. Also, use google scholar and search for current articles on topics related to/about BPD. Chances are that the authors of these articles have at least a slight interest in the topic and keep definitely keep an I out for those authors who repeatedly publish about the topic. That should definitely be a heads up regarding their current interests. Good luck! 🙂
 
Where I am at

Going to be a Junior

3.66 Overall 3.73 Psychology

Minors-Sociology, Philosophy, Neuroscience

Taking GRE general test by Summer's End

Taking Subject test in October

Volunteering at a research lab for the Summer currently

Volunteering at my local hospital in the Behavioral Medicine Center

Where I want to be

A Graduate Program in Clinical Psychology

How do I get there?

I plan to maintain and hopefully increase my G.P.A., and I have already began to study for the GREs

I don't know what is enough, or what I should focus on. I know that I want to be a practicing Psychologist. I have no doubt about that. Research is interesting but I wouldn't want to do it as a career. Are there any experiences that I could get that would be good stepping stones towards being a clincial psychologist that I can have as an undergraduate? I have been looking around and the closest things I have found that are leaning towards that direction are crisis and peer hotlines. Psychiatric technician also came up, but I have not been able to find any information about it in relation to Massachusetts. I feel at best I am moving in a circle, and I really would like to make some progressive steps forward if anyone could help
 
Practical experiences aren't going to matter much to PhD programs in clinical psychology. You won't be able to get exposure to the type of clinical work you'd be doing as a psychologist or as a grad student. Usually, the volunteer jobs you are talking about are good for people who wonder what working with a clinical population would be like, not necessarily for those wanting to build a strong CV. Your best bet for the latter is to get quality research experience and to work on getting on posters, presentations, and articles if you can manage it.

After reading your post, I wonder why you are focused on doctoral level work if you're not enthusiastic about research. Why not go for a masters degree?
 
Ideally, I would like to have my own practice. Psy. Ds are too expensive. It is not that I am completely disinterested in research, I do like it. I just wouldn't want to do it as a full time profession.
 
I haven't looked much into LICSW. That is the only option besides a doctorate that one can open an independent practice with, correct? Anyone have information on this path?

Seeing as currently I want to get into a clinical Ph. D. program, some advice on practical steps would still be helpful. I don't imagine doing any of the neccessary steps towards getting into a clinical psychology program would really be detrimental if I decided to change career paths.
 
Mandolin140 said:
Where I am at

Going to be a Junior

3.66 Overall 3.73 Psychology

Minors-Sociology, Philosophy, Neuroscience

Taking GRE general test by Summer's End

Taking Subject test in October

Volunteering at a research lab for the Summer currently

Volunteering at my local hospital in the Behavioral Medicine Center

Where I want to be

A Graduate Program in Clinical Psychology

How do I get there?

I plan to maintain and hopefully increase my G.P.A., and I have already began to study for the GREs

I don't know what is enough, or what I should focus on. I know that I want to be a practicing Psychologist. I have no doubt about that. Research is interesting but I wouldn't want to do it as a career. Are there any experiences that I could get that would be good stepping stones towards being a clincial psychologist that I can have as an undergraduate? I have been looking around and the closest things I have found that are leaning towards that direction are crisis and peer hotlines. Psychiatric technician also came up, but I have not been able to find any information about it in relation to Massachusetts. I feel at best I am moving in a circle, and I really would like to make some progressive steps forward if anyone could help
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Moving to the WAMC thread.
 
Hi Mandolin140,

Your GPA and educational background sound fine. Just get a decent-good score on the GRE. Based on what you wrote, you should probably look into MS in Clinical Psychology, MSW (and become licensed as a LCSW) or Psy.D. programs. As for experience, what are your roles at the hospital and research lab? A popular job for undergraduate psych students is as an ABA therapist working with autistic children.
 
I'm a returning student.Transferred from CC to a 4 year in the University of California System
Graduating in June 2012.

Major: Psychology
Minor: Human Development
UG GPA: 3.02
UG Major GPA: 3.75
UG Upper Div GPA: 3.55
GRE Quantitative: 84th Percentile (New GRE)
GRE Verbal: 72nd Percentile (New GRE)
Research Experience: 1 year RA volunteer work lead to a year paid as a Research Assistant (still there). Will be starting more volunteer work in June as an RA in the Neuroimaging Dept.

Schools of Interest: UC Riverside, UCLA, UC Berkeley, UC Santa Barbara, UC Irvine

I am interested in a PhD emphasizing Cognitive Neuroscience for research and not clinical purposes. I would ultimately want to get involved in research with neurodevelopmental disorders and do a postdoc with an emphasis in neuropsychology. I am definitely aware of my poor GPA. Prior to becoming a psych major I was a math major and that's what lead to my poor cumulative GPA. Since changing majors I have steadily and consistently increased my GPA and have made the Deans List the majority of my last 2 years as an undergrad. I really want to know what my chances are of being admitted into a PhD program. Do you think I should be considering a Clinical PhD? Prior to any of that, should I be considering a Masters program that emphasizes research or is a doctoral preparation program? I would really appreciate any advice and of course will be answering any questions to clarify my situation.

Thanks!
🙂
 
Psyc13 said:
I'm a returning student.Transferred from CC to a 4 year in the University of California System
Graduating in June 2012.

Major: Psychology
Minor: Human Development
UG GPA: 3.02
UG Major GPA: 3.75
UG Upper Div GPA: 3.55
GRE Quantitative: 84th Percentile (New GRE)
GRE Verbal: 72nd Percentile (New GRE)
Research Experience: 1 year RA volunteer work lead to a year paid as a Research Assistant (still there). Will be starting more volunteer work in June as an RA in the Neuroimaging Dept.

Schools of Interest: UC Riverside, UCLA, UC Berkeley, UC Santa Barbara, UC Irvine

I am interested in a PhD emphasizing Cognitive Neuroscience for research and not clinical purposes. I would ultimately want to get involved in research with neurodevelopmental disorders and do a postdoc with an emphasis in neuropsychology. I am definitely aware of my poor GPA. Prior to becoming a psych major I was a math major and that's what lead to my poor cumulative GPA. Since changing majors I have steadily and consistently increased my GPA and have made the Deans List the majority of my last 2 years as an undergrad. I really want to know what my chances are of being admitted into a PhD program. Do you think I should be considering a Clinical PhD? Prior to any of that, should I be considering a Masters program that emphasizes research or is a doctoral preparation program? I would really appreciate any advice and of course will be answering any questions to clarify my situation.

Thanks!
🙂
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If you want a research career you should do a research masters/doctoral program prep first. It will help make up for the GPA and maximize your chances of a Ph.D. admission.
 
roubs said:
If you want a research career you should do a research masters/doctoral program prep first. It will help make up for the GPA and maximize your chances of a Ph.D. admission.
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Thank you for the reply. I was planning on applying to graduate programs this Fall. Should I stick to Masters programs or do you think I have some chance and should apply to a couple of PhD programs as well?
 
Hi! I'm planning to apply for Fall 2013.

My stats are: BA from an Ivy league in Comparative Literature, '10. 2 undergrad courses in psych- cognitive psych and intro to psych.
GPA: 3.8
GREs: 170/170/5.5
Obviously, I need to take the Psych GREs to prove that I know anything about psychology, clinical or otherwise! I've been studying for this independently for about a year.
1 year's experience working in a medical setting
4 publications in medicine (nutrition).
1 year's experience volunteering with underserved populations
Summer courses, planning to take: Applied stats, maybe Experimental Psych

What are my chances? (Ahhh!! Be kind!) Are there any schools that might look more favorably on this decidedly non-psych background?
 
printscreen said:
Hi! I'm planning to apply for Fall 2013.

My stats are: BA from an Ivy league in Comparative Literature, '10. 2 undergrad courses in psych- cognitive psych and intro to psych.
GPA: 3.8
GREs: 170/170/5.5
Obviously, I need to take the Psych GREs to prove that I know anything about psychology, clinical or otherwise! I've been studying for this independently for about a year.
1 year's experience working in a medical setting
4 publications in medicine (nutrition).
1 year's experience volunteering with underserved populations
Summer courses, planning to take: Applied stats, maybe Experimental Psych

What are my chances? (Ahhh!! Be kind!) Are there any schools that might look more favorably on this decidedly non-psych background?
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Make sure you meet the pre-reqs for programs (common ones include experimental/research methods, developmental, abnormal, personality, and stats). Check the Insider's Guide for this info by program and verify by program websites.

By publications, I'm assuming you mean peer-reviewed journal articles, right? If so, congrats! Do they have any relation to your research interests or the more social science/cognitive-behavioral aspects of nutrition?
 
Psyc13 said:
Thank you for the reply. I was planning on applying to graduate programs this Fall. Should I stick to Masters programs or do you think I have some chance and should apply to a couple of PhD programs as well?
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I think chances aren't very good at quality Ph.D. programs but we're talking chances so obv. there's no way to be certain. If you don't mind throwing in a couple extra application fees it can't hurt to go for it, but I wouldn't consider yourself a competitive applicant until you complete a masters program and can point to a high, turned-around GPA.
 
Hi all,

I am looking at my chances for the UCSD/SDSU joint doctoral program in clinical psychology since I have some significant match of research interests with faculty members there. I am however apprehensive, because my Psych GRE scores are terrible, to say the least (570). I come from a non-psych background (hard science undergrad, with 3.75 GPA or so), and a Master's in Neuroscience (3.93 GPA). My general GRE scores are pretty high (1380), and I have gained a significant amount of research experience over the course for 1.6 years. I am in the process of publishing a paper or two in the near future. While I am of course applying to other programs, I have my heart and eyes set for this particular program for the aforementioned reasons. Please let me know if I am being reasonable enough in applying to this program.

Many thanks,
Corona
 
Corona21 said:
Hi all,

I am looking at my chances for the UCSD/SDSU joint doctoral program in clinical psychology since I have some significant match of research interests with faculty members there. I am however apprehensive, because my Psych GRE scores are terrible, to say the least (570). I come from a non-psych background (hard science undergrad, with 3.75 GPA or so), and a Master's in Neuroscience (3.93 GPA). My general GRE scores are pretty high (1380), and I have gained a significant amount of research experience over the course for 1.6 years. I am in the process of publishing a paper or two in the near future. While I am of course applying to other programs, I have my heart and eyes set for this particular program for the aforementioned reasons. Please let me know if I am being reasonable enough in applying to this program.

Many thanks,
Corona
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Yeah you're being reasonable, it's one data point among others--and the others show you to be a competitive applicant for that program.

I'm glad you're applying to other programs because even with great stats across the board the chances of getting into any one program are small. I would suggest trying to detach your heart from any particular program.
 
Do not submit your subject GRE unless it is required. Since the rest of your application is good, perhaps you can use the summer to study and retake it? I have heard Intro to Psych textbooks are a great way to prepare!
 
Thank you for your responses guys. It is certainly encouraging, although I do understand the need to be realistic about the whole situation. PhDToBe, I did consider the summer to study, and will try to find the time to do so. It so happens that we have greater workload in our research lab during the summer than the rest of the year combined!
 
I've heard that program's POIs really only take on current research assistants anyway. You probably don't have much of a chance, unless that is where you're already working! Also, doesn't everyone apply to that program?! I mean, with the great location and the broad interests of the faculty, it ends up with 400-500 applications for <20 spots every year. That's only counting the complete apps, as they are explicit about not contacting applicants about the status/completeness of their apps at all. Definitely apply elsewhere, especially because, after all is said and done, the psych GRE may be the thing that tosses you in the "reject" pile--a POI there told me they are just looking for reasons to throw people into that pile. At least he was honest.
 
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