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Applying to mostly Clinical PhD but some Counseling PhD and 1 PsyD.

Indiana University Indianapolis
UNC Greensborough
University of Kentucky
East Tennessee State University
Spalding University
Univ Colorado C Springs
University of New Mexico
University of Tennessee
Lousianna State University
University of Nevada Reno
University of Wyoming
University of Houston
Florida State University


3.9 GPA 4.0 Psych
3 years research experience
1 poster and 1 presentation
Honors Thesis/Independent Research in process under very well known PhD in my field.

I THINK I’m a pretty solid candidate. I guess what I’m mostly asking is if I am shooting to low here. These school/professors are in my kind of specific research are of interest, that’s why I’m applying. I’ve contacted all of these professors and have had pre-interview type conversations online with in an attempt of filtering out phDs I don’t want to work for, for 5 years and to build relationships with them. I’d be happy with every single school on the list, some more then other but either way I’d be happy.

Thoughts?
 
BeardedPsychStudent said:
Applying to mostly Clinical PhD but some Counseling PhD and 1 PsyD.

Indiana University Indianapolis
UNC Greensborough
University of Kentucky
East Tennessee State University
Spalding University
Univ Colorado C Springs
University of New Mexico
University of Tennessee
Lousianna State University
University of Nevada Reno
University of Wyoming
University of Houston
Florida State University


3.9 GPA 4.0 Psych
3 years research experience
1 poster and 1 presentation
Honors Thesis/Independent Research in process under very well known PhD in my field.

I THINK I’m a pretty solid candidate. I guess what I’m mostly asking is if I am shooting to low here. These school/professors are in my kind of specific research are of interest, that’s why I’m applying. I’ve contacted all of these professors and have had pre-interview type conversations online with in an attempt of filtering out phDs I don’t want to work for, for 5 years and to build relationships with them. I’d be happy with every single school on the list, some more then other but either way I’d be happy.

Thoughts?
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Oh yeah. 4 years experience as an addiction counselor and case manager in California.
 
BeardedPsychStudent said:
I THINK I’m a pretty solid candidate. I guess what I’m mostly asking is if I am shooting to low here. These school/professors are in my kind of specific research are of interest, that’s why I’m applying. I’ve contacted all of these professors and have had pre-interview type conversations online with in an attempt of filtering out phDs I don’t want to work for, for 5 years and to build relationships with them. I’d be happy with every single school on the list, some more then other but either way I’d be happy.
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Probably not, if it's your area of interest. But I'd give thought as to whether you view yourself as a clinician or a researcher. If the latter, I'd ask any prospective mentor about their funding to support you to do enough research to be competitive for the academic job market.
 
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R. Matey said:
Probably not, if it's your area of interest. But I'd give thought as to whether you view yourself as a clinician or a researcher. If the latter, I'd ask any prospective mentor about their funding to support you to do enough research to be competitive for the academic job market.
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What do you mean? I guess I just assumed that if they took on a PhD student that the funding would be there. Am I wrong?
 
BeardedPsychStudent said:
What do you mean? I guess I just assumed that if they took on a PhD student that the funding would be there. Am I wrong?
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Not necessarily. Different programs have different funding models. Some folks are funded on their mentor's grants while others are funded via TA/GAships to teach classes, do some kind of administrative work, etc. Using myself as an example, I was one of a few graduate students exclusively funded by my mentor specifically as their RA. Other students were funded by the department for some other role.

It really doesn't matter if your goal is to be a clinician so long as they have enough funding to get you through the program. If you want to be an academic, you will want to ask specifically about funding to do research. It matters because you only have so much time in graduate school to learn stats, write, and publish enough papers to be competitive.
 
R. Matey said:
Not necessarily. Different programs have different funding models. Some folks are funded on their mentor's grants while others are funded via TA/GAships to teach classes, do some kind of administrative work, etc. Using myself as an example, I was one of a few graduate students exclusively funded by my mentor specifically as their RA. Other students were funded by the department for some other role.

It really doesn't matter if your goal is to be a clinician so long as they have enough funding to get you through the program. If you want to be an academic, you will want to ask specifically about funding to do research. It matters because you only have so much time in graduate school to learn stats, write, and publish enough papers to be competitive.
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I really want to be a researcher, and the VA model is pretty attractive at least from what I have seen as a RA for a PhD research here at the Houston V.A.

I’m sure I’ll want to be a clinician as well but my area of interest is SUD and PTSD, so the VA seems at least on its face as a really good option.
 
Zazulator said:
I am pretty sure that Spalding only offers a PsyD and it is quite expensive with limited funding opportunities from what I have heard, so definitely do not assume that all places will offer funding!
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I have spoken with both of the chair and associate chair of the school and yes, it has limited funding but most students are able to receive funding for about 1/2 of the yearly tuition. I don’t think it’s THAT expensive compared to many other non-funded PsyD programs. But I am also 44 years old and had a very successful life/career before going back to school so I guess I view money differently than some others. In my area of research the professor at Baylor and Rutgers, that I would want to study under, are not taking students this year. I collaborated with the professor at Baylor within the study I currently work on with the VA. So we discussed the possibility of me going to Baylor, but it’s just not in the cards this year. BUT, to get back to the point. I like the professors at Spaulding and the chairs especially so IF I end up going to school there then it will just be something I’ll address when it comes. I know what my mentors earn in the field I am in and have zero worries about being able to pay off the debt rapidly.
 
BeardedPsychStudent said:
I have spoken with both of the chair and associate chair of the school and yes, it has limited funding but most students are able to receive funding for about 1/2 of the yearly tuition. I don’t think it’s THAT expensive compared to many other non-funded PsyD programs. But I am also 44 years old and had a very successful life/career before going back to school so I guess I view money differently than some others. In my area of research the professor at Baylor and Rutgers, that I would want to study under, are not taking students this year. I collaborated with the professor at Baylor within the study I currently work on with the VA. So we discussed the possibility of me going to Baylor, but it’s just not in the cards this year. BUT, to get back to the point. I like the professors at Spaulding and the chairs especially so IF I end up going to school there then it will just be something I’ll address when it comes. I know what my mentors earn in the field I am in and have zero worries about being able to pay off the debt rapidly.
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If you think you could be competitive for Baylor and Rutgers if those profs were taking students and end up at Spalding, that’s like somebody who could get into Harvard but because they are on vacation during student orientation, they go to Chico State and pay 10x the regular tuition.

Spalding also has a very poor reputation in this field, you’re likely to get worse training and you’ll have more problems matching to a solid APA internship due to Spalding’s poor reputation, all of which can potentially have negative impacts on your career.
 
BeardedPsychStudent said:
I really want to be a researcher, and the VA model is pretty attractive at least from what I have seen as a RA for a PhD research here at the Houston V.A.

I’m sure I’ll want to be a clinician as well but my area of interest is SUD and PTSD, so the VA seems at least on its face as a really good option.
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Many PhD programs are connected to VAs so it will really be just about getting the right funding setup for you to do research with your mentor. PsyD programs are less likely to have the set up for you to do research, but there are certainly exceptions. In any case, I would be asking direct questions about the capacity that any mentor or program has to support me doing mentored research as a student. This means ideally paid time that is explicitly set aside for such a purpose.
 
Hi everyone, I am seeking guidance on what my chances are for getting into a Clinical psychology Ph.D.

Education/ Experience
I graduated with a B.S in Psychology in 2023 with a 4.0. I had around 2 1/2 years of research experience in a social research lab. I have around 5 posters/presentations from my undergrad. I published in the North American Journal of Psychology as the first author. Additionally, I was awarded a psychology summer research grant on voting behaviors.

Employment
I was a peer mentor for a couple of semesters in college. After completion of my degree, I was employed at a military hospital as a clinical research assistant studying TBI's. I worked there for about 9 months before the DHA did cuts on all research.

Schools
I am applying to Baylor, UT Tyler, UT Austin, UNT, UT Southwestern, University of Denver, and SMU.

Closing
I didn't take the GRE as it is not needed or accepted for all of my schools. Additionally, my publication is on dating and similarity (more of a social psychology concept). Since my research experiences are diverse I wonder if this will disadvantage me. Most schools I am looking at are geared more toward neuropsychology or military psychology as my specialty.

Any advice would be helpful. Thanks!
 
psycgirly33 said:
Hi everyone, I am seeking guidance on what my chances are for getting into a Clinical psychology Ph.D.

Education/ Experience
I graduated with a B.S in Psychology in 2023 with a 4.0. I had around 2 1/2 years of research experience in a social research lab. I have around 5 posters/presentations from my undergrad. I published in the North American Journal of Psychology as the first author. Additionally, I was awarded a psychology summer research grant on voting behaviors.

Employment
I was a peer mentor for a couple of semesters in college. After completion of my degree, I was employed at a military hospital as a clinical research assistant studying TBI's. I worked there for about 9 months before the DHA did cuts on all research.

Schools
I am applying to Baylor, UT Tyler, UT Austin, UNT, UT Southwestern, University of Denver, and SMU.

Closing
I didn't take the GRE as it is not needed or accepted for all of my schools. Additionally, my publication is on dating and similarity (more of a social psychology concept). Since my research experiences are diverse I wonder if this will disadvantage me. Most schools I am looking at are geared more toward neuropsychology or military psychology as my specialty.

Any advice would be helpful. Thanks!
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Overall your research experience looks pretty good! Better than mine when I applied to programs. I'm quite familiar with multiple programs on your list, and I am assuming your research interests are primarily within neuropsychology. If that's the case, you're severely limiting yourself with options, given what I know about those programs and the faculty. I'm assuming you're mostly choosing those programs due to wanting to stay in Texas. If at all possible, I would highly advise against that and try to be more geographically flexible. You'll have a much higher chance of being accepted (at least getting an interview) if so.
 
Hellooo Everyone,



I have been getting wait anxiety after submitting all of my PsyD applications wondering if anyone has any feedback on if they think I have a competitive application.



Undergrad GPA: 3.4

Psych GPA undergrad: 3.6

Graduate GPA: 3.8



Relevant work: RA in grad at JHU, for two years. I have my masters/LPC/LMHC for five years. Have been doing full time clinical work in a variety of settings. I have worked on two grant funded clinical research programs for 4 years. During this time I have also received training in crisis care working in emergency rooms (moon lighting mostly) at one point worked full time for 7 months prior to a move. I also do private practice work on my own.



Research/interest: Interested in testing particularly neuropsychological testing, health psychology - the ways that psychology could be added into inpatient care or women’s health to increase follow up/provider trust with patients or something researching interventions to decrease PPD/anxiety (psycho edu/support at the clinic level to expecting parents), and teaching.



I do not have any publications or posters.



I applied to:

Denver U

Uindy

Roosevelt

Rutgers

Stanford PGSP

Loyola Maryland

La Salle



LOR:

1 PsyD - supervised me during my pre licensed period (encouraged me to continue schooling)

1 PhD Psychology - PI for the job I currently am working

1 MD/CEO dept of psychology: psychiatrist of the team I previously worked on (encouraged me to continue schooling)



SOP: I worked on my SOP starting in July, worked with a professional editor for guidance and also had one of my recommenders read the letter and provide feedback (a PsyD). I feel it’s pretty solid but some of these schools had various random writing prompts that I had to create new essays for (Denver).



GRE: didn’t take it as the schools did not require it



Concerns: undergrad GPA, the letter from my PI may not be as strong as the other two, not having any publications, I’m in my 30s and not a traditional student taking this route a bit later



To answer the question why get a PsyD after getting my masters. To be honest I am a first gen college student both of my parents didn’t graduate high school and I have very limited academic support navigating college. When I was finishing undergrad I knew I wanted to continue school however, didn’t really think that a doctoral degree was something I could attain. Now having worked in the field I continue to run into barriers practicing at a masters level. Ex: testing/research/teaching. While these topics continue to interest me I cannot do more than what I am currently doing. After working and understanding graduate level programs I now feel like I am able to apply. With that being said, I am highly anxious about the entire waiting period. Any feedback is greatly appreciated! TYIA!
 
nicetea said:
I do not have any publications or posters.
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I imagine you will struggle with admissions for funded/partially funded PsyD programs like Rutgers without some type of research output, as well as at some more competitive self-pay PsyDs.

Based on predoctoral internship applications at my VA, I've seen a really wide range of applications from Stanford PGSP students from top notch (eg they could be at any funded PhD) to students who have zero shot of getting an interview with us (eg an application where the person basically had zero assessment hours because they only wanted to get therapy training). But each of these students is paying the same astronomical amount in tuition plus living expenses.

So I guess that's to say that you probably have a shot with at least some of your full self-pay PsyDs.

And if so, I would very much encourage you to sit down with a financial planner and especially crunch out loan repayments because taking on $200,000+ of debt when you already have a career (even if some things are limited), might be one of the biggest financial decisions you'll ever make in your lifetime. Good luck!
 
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summerbabe said:
I imagine you will struggle with admissions for funded/partially funded PsyD programs like Rutgers without some type of research output, as well as at some more competitive self-pay PsyDs.

Based on predoctoral internship applications at my VA, I've seen a really wide range of applications from Stanford PGSP students from top notch (eg they could be at any funded PhD) to students who have zero shot of getting an interview with us (eg an application where the person basically had zero assessment hours because they only wanted to get therapy training). But each of these students is paying the same astronomical amount in tuition plus living expenses.

So I guess that's to say that you probably have a shot with at least some of your full self-pay PsyDs.

And if so, I would very much encourage you to sit down with a financial planner and especially crunch out loan repayments because taking on $200,000+ of debt when you already have a career (even if some things are limited), might be one of the biggest financial decisions you'll ever make in your lifetime. Good luck!
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Thank you for the reply - just wanting to make sure I understand. You’re saying because I don’t have any publications specifically it’ll be harder to get into Rutgers etc.

I am hoping my clinical research work experience can kind of supplement that but understand if it doesn’t. Which has been a worry of mine through the application process!

Thank you for the heads up, luckily I am in a very good financial position right now and will have to take out minimal loans if any.
 
nicetea said:
Thank you for the reply - just wanting to make sure I understand. You’re saying because I don’t have any publications specifically it’ll be harder to get into Rutgers etc.

I am hoping my clinical research work experience can kind of supplement that but understand if it doesn’t. Which has been a worry of mine through the application process!

Thank you for the heads up, luckily I am in a very good financial position right now and will have to take out minimal loans if any.
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That is correct. 4 years is a long time to be involved in research with zero product to show for it. The assumption will be that your involvement was on the clinical side of the work and that you will have very little meaningful exposure or understanding of the research process.
 
WisNeuro said:
That is correct. 4 years is a long time to be involved in research with zero product to show for it. The assumption will be that your involvement was on the clinical side of the work and that you will have very little meaningful exposure or understanding of the research process.
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Okay thanks! That makes sense. I have had a hand in some methods/development/implementation of the TH program I currently work on, and administered testing, collected data entered into red cap etc in past positions. Do you think it’s helpful to focus more on these roles during (potential interview process) as it’s clear that I can do the clinical side of things lol.

Follow up question: do you feel like where someone has trained, worked, or went to school matters much? Or plays a role in the interview selection?
 
nicetea said:
Thank you for the reply - just wanting to make sure I understand. You’re saying because I don’t have any publications specifically it’ll be harder to get into Rutgers etc.

I am hoping my clinical research work experience can kind of supplement that but understand if it doesn’t. Which has been a worry of mine through the application process!

Thank you for the heads up, luckily I am in a very good financial position right now and will have to take out minimal loans if any.
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Yes. In a nutshell, funded programs waive tuition/pay stipends to promote the overall mission of academia, which is to create new research so the funding is to attract students who can help their mentor in this goal, so a past track record of success is needed.

As such, funded programs will have heavier research emphasis.

Clinical research work experience isn’t a bad thing but usually is not considered a substitute for working on projects that turn into academic conference poster presentation and journal articles.

Less research heavy program may value this experience more but those program are almost certainly full self pay.

And some PsyD graduates choose these programs (and their outrageous tuition) essentially to avoid doing research (or they aren’t competitive for the modal psychology doctorate program, which requires significant research experience and research engagement during school).

So weigh the cost/benefit analysis of your current/future financial circumstances versus perceived future work satisfaction of having a doctorate.

Everybody’s situation is different but there are A LOT of people who ultimately regret a self financed PsyD, especially if they already have a clinical license. Hell, you’ll also find a good chunk of funded PhDs who regret their choice.

And not just for monetary reasons but others such as the amount of time needed to essentially only add psychological assessment to your clinical toolbox and what the reality of doing assessment day in day out looks like in one’s career (if they go down that route).

Lastly from a purely economic perspective, if you have the finances to self fund a PsyD, that money invested in the S&P for 20-30 years is basically the equivalent of retiring early and traveling the world.
 
summerbabe said:
I imagine you will struggle with admissions for funded/partially funded PsyD programs like Rutgers without some type of research output, as well as at some more competitive self-pay PsyDs.

Based on predoctoral internship applications at my VA, I've seen a really wide range of applications from Stanford PGSP students from top notch (eg they could be at any funded PhD) to students who have zero shot of getting an interview with us (eg an application where the person basically had zero assessment hours because they only wanted to get therapy training). But each of these students is paying the same astronomical amount in tuition plus living expenses.

So I guess that's to say that you probably have a shot with at least some of your full self-pay PsyDs.

And if so, I would very much encourage you to sit down with a financial planner and especially crunch out loan repayments because taking on $200,000+ of debt when you already have a career (even if some things are limited), might be one of the biggest financial decisions you'll ever make in your lifetime. Good luck!
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Holy crap! I just checked and they're $60,000/year for just tuition and Palo Alto is isn't exactly cheapo in terms of cost of living.


nicetea said:
Thank you for the heads up, luckily I am in a very good financial position right now and will have to take out minimal loans if any.
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If you have $250,000-400,000 available, there are much better investments for that money than an unfunded doctoral program.

You could use it to subsidize cost of living for a couple years of research experience, get into a funded program, and still have quite a bit of money left over.

Or just put it into an index fund.
 
psycgirly33 said:
Hi everyone, I am seeking guidance on what my chances are for getting into a Clinical psychology Ph.D.

Education/ Experience
I graduated with a B.S in Psychology in 2023 with a 4.0. I had around 2 1/2 years of research experience in a social research lab. I have around 5 posters/presentations from my undergrad. I published in the North American Journal of Psychology as the first author. Additionally, I was awarded a psychology summer research grant on voting behaviors.

Employment
I was a peer mentor for a couple of semesters in college. After completion of my degree, I was employed at a military hospital as a clinical research assistant studying TBI's. I worked there for about 9 months before the DHA did cuts on all research.

Schools
I am applying to Baylor, UT Tyler, UT Austin, UNT, UT Southwestern, University of Denver, and SMU.

Closing
I didn't take the GRE as it is not needed or accepted for all of my schools. Additionally, my publication is on dating and similarity (more of a social psychology concept). Since my research experiences are diverse I wonder if this will disadvantage me. Most schools I am looking at are geared more toward neuropsychology or military psychology as my specialty.

Any advice would be helpful. Thanks!
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chicandtoughness said:
Pleaseeeee apply to more than 7 schools. Some of (well, pretty much all of) these are ridiculously hard to get into. You'll be fighting with tons of people who have similar stats to you for a minuscule amount of seats.
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And definitely expand your geographical catchment area. All but one of these schools is in Texas.
 
psych.meout said:
Holy crap! I just checked and they're $60,000/year for just tuition and Palo Alto is isn't exactly cheapo in terms of cost of living.



If you have $250,000-400,000 available, there are much better investments for that money than an unfunded doctoral program.

You could use it to subsidize cost of living for a couple years of research experience, get into a funded program, and still have quite a bit of money left over.

Or just put it into an index fund.
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Yes some of them are ungodly expensive. I do agree with that! I understand all of that and have thought about it a lot over the past two years. I feel like if I keep waiting to apply for something I’m going to have to wait for many other things in life children etc which may not be an option. Lot of factors that led me to say okay lol I’ll pay the money.

But just a lot of worry about where I kind of stand as an applicant as I have been out of school for a good amount of time now.

PGSP is not my top - it really falls more toward the bottom of my list. However, I was trying to cast a wide net when applying and it was one of the few programs that didn’t seem sketchy in CA.
 
nicetea said:
Hellooo Everyone,



I have been getting wait anxiety after submitting all of my PsyD applications wondering if anyone has any feedback on if they think I have a competitive application.



Undergrad GPA: 3.4

Psych GPA undergrad: 3.6

Graduate GPA: 3.8



Relevant work: RA in grad at JHU, for two years. I have my masters/LPC/LMHC for five years. Have been doing full time clinical work in a variety of settings. I have worked on two grant funded clinical research programs for 4 years. During this time I have also received training in crisis care working in emergency rooms (moon lighting mostly) at one point worked full time for 7 months prior to a move. I also do private practice work on my own.



Research/interest: Interested in testing particularly neuropsychological testing, health psychology - the ways that psychology could be added into inpatient care or women’s health to increase follow up/provider trust with patients or something researching interventions to decrease PPD/anxiety (psycho edu/support at the clinic level to expecting parents), and teaching.



I do not have any publications or posters.



I applied to:

Denver U

Uindy

Roosevelt

Rutgers

Stanford PGSP

Loyola Maryland

La Salle



LOR:

1 PsyD - supervised me during my pre licensed period (encouraged me to continue schooling)

1 PhD Psychology - PI for the job I currently am working

1 MD/CEO dept of psychology: psychiatrist of the team I previously worked on (encouraged me to continue schooling)



SOP: I worked on my SOP starting in July, worked with a professional editor for guidance and also had one of my recommenders read the letter and provide feedback (a PsyD). I feel it’s pretty solid but some of these schools had various random writing prompts that I had to create new essays for (Denver).



GRE: didn’t take it as the schools did not require it



Concerns: undergrad GPA, the letter from my PI may not be as strong as the other two, not having any publications, I’m in my 30s and not a traditional student taking this route a bit later



To answer the question why get a PsyD after getting my masters. To be honest I am a first gen college student both of my parents didn’t graduate high school and I have very limited academic support navigating college. When I was finishing undergrad I knew I wanted to continue school however, didn’t really think that a doctoral degree was something I could attain. Now having worked in the field I continue to run into barriers practicing at a masters level. Ex: testing/research/teaching. While these topics continue to interest me I cannot do more than what I am currently doing. After working and understanding graduate level programs I now feel like I am able to apply. With that being said, I am highly anxious about the entire waiting period. Any feedback is greatly appreciated! TYIA!
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OP, you mention running into barriers for things like testing, research, and teaching with your current degree. What exactly is it you see yourself doing in your day to day after the degree? Very few people with a doctorate do all of those in their regular career, unless they have multiple side hustles. Adjunct teaching can absolutely be done with a masters, but if you are talking about a full-time professorship, then those positions are few and far between and wildly competitive. With research, it is very hard to do while being primarily a clinical provider without specific buyout time. Also, the likelihood of you getting the type of research training in any of the PsyDs you listed (with maybe the exception of Rutgers), is small. Generally, the philosophical view of research in PsyD programs is becoming proficient enough to be able to consume research, not necessarily be producing it throughout your career following grad school. The folks with PsyDs and prolific research careers are few and far between, as the general path for that is more research-heavy PhD programs which emphasize growth as an independent researcher. Given your earlier mention about neuropsychological testing, in assuming when you say testing, you mean neuro evals. You also mentioned already being in your 30’s. From a practical standpoint, have you thought about the long term in regards to life planning? You’re essentially putting your life on pause (without any income potential) for another ~5 years, with 2 more added onto that if you want to be a neuropsychologist (2-year postdoctoral residency) or 1-2 years if you pursue a research postdoc to make yourself competitive for more research-focused positions. If you truly feel that this financial and time investment is worth it and will absolutely change your career significantly in terms of the things you will realistically do on a day-to-day basis, then your application is likely on par for some of the schools you listed, but depending on what you see yourself doing in terms of teaching and research, some of those barriers may still be in place after you have a PsyD as well.
 
PsyDuck90 said:
OP, you mention running into barriers for things like testing, research, and teaching with your current degree. What exactly is it you see yourself doing in your day to day after the degree? Very few people with a doctorate do all of those in their regular career, unless they have multiple side hustles. Adjunct teaching can absolutely be done with a masters, but if you are talking about a full-time professorship, then those positions are few and far between and wildly competitive. With research, it is very hard to do while being primarily a clinical provider without specific buyout time. Also, the likelihood of you getting the type of research training in any of the PsyDs you listed (with maybe the exception of Rutgers), is small. Generally, the philosophical view of research in PsyD programs is becoming proficient enough to be able to consume research, not necessarily be producing it throughout your career following grad school. The folks with PsyDs and prolific research careers are few and far between, as the general path for that is more research-heavy PhD programs which emphasize growth as an independent researcher. Given your earlier mention about neuropsychological testing, in assuming when you say testing, you mean neuro evals. You also mentioned already being in your 30’s. From a practical standpoint, have you thought about the long term in regards to life planning? You’re essentially putting your life on pause (without any income potential) for another ~5 years, with 2 more added onto that if you want to be a neuropsychologist (2-year postdoctoral residency) or 1-2 years if you pursue a research postdoc to make yourself competitive for more research-focused positions. If you truly feel that this financial and time investment is worth it and will absolutely change your career significantly in terms of the things you will realistically do on a day-to-day basis, then your application is likely on par for some of the schools you listed, but depending on what you see yourself doing in terms of teaching and research, some of those barriers may still be in place after you have a PsyD as well.
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Thanks for the response, I don’t think I want to do primary research but I would like to understand more in that setting. I don’t think I’d be sad to not do in depth research after school.

Ideally, my dream job would be doing evals/testing. I really enjoyed the in depth evals/intakes that I did while working in a past job and really excelled in that area. Which led to conversations with my PsyD supervisors about going back to school. I really enjoy the structure when it comes to assessments/. With my masters I can’t really do anything more related to that. Which I think is my biggest inspo to continue. I really would like to do some adjunct work in the future. I have looked into some positions over the past year with my masters and 95% of them required a doctoral degree. That also could just be the area on the EC that I am in as well. I haven’t looked outside of this area.

I don’t mind doing therapy but its almost all that I can do now and I just don’t think it will be enjoyable in 10 years. I also contemplated what if I don’t try to apply and still feel like this in ten years only with the regret of not having tried to go back to school.

I have given the timeline probably way too much thought ! As I kept debating and putting off applications for the last two years I just kept coming back to it. I hear you it does feel like pressing pause on life events such as children mostly but I do feel like I could have children at 35/36 and be okay with that. I’ll have to plan having children due to health reasons so that kind of oddly works out in my favor for this. I do wish I would have just applied directly after grad school, 2020 just hit my in the face as it did most of us.

I’m happy to hear your input about it changing my day to day career significantly because that is absolutely what I’m hoping to do. I can take a few barriers in research/teaching as I do think the clinical work will still be my main goal. Makes me feel at least I’m on the right path. I’ve spoke to many people about all of these things but it’s nice to hear others input so again thank you!

I just see sooo many applicants and I’m like I know I lack a bit in the formal research side of things and my under grad gpa is less than spectacular lol so I’m like at this point am I just wild thinking I could get in or am I just anxiously doom thinking about all of it.
 
nicetea said:
Ideally, my dream job would be doing evals/testing. I really enjoyed the in depth evals/intakes that I did while working in a past job and really excelled in that area. Which led to conversations with my PsyD supervisors about going back to school. I really enjoy the structure when it comes to assessments/.
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What do you understand about actual testing and assessments? When the psychologists here talk about testing they’re usually talking about full psych batteries. Full day ordeals with written reports. It’s not the same as doing intakes at the masters level where you ask questions from a form. Make sure you know what you’re getting into. I also love doing assessments and intakes (used to work intakes as an inpatient psych hospital) but I would NEVER do psych testing. It’s a completely different thing.
 
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What do you understand about actual testing and assessments? When the psychologists here talk about testing they’re usually talking about full psych batteries. Full day ordeals with written reports. It’s not the same as doing intakes at the masters level where you ask questions from a form. Make sure you know what you’re getting into. I also love doing assessments and intakes (used to work intakes as an inpatient psych hospital) but I would NEVER do psych testing. It’s a completely different thing.
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Appreciate the look out - but yes lol I know that doesn’t sound great to a lot of people. But it does to me. My interest in testing started after I worked with my last team and was able to read the reports from the psyd students. So have had the opportunity to ask a lot of questions about what we did there and the process.
 
nicetea said:
Appreciate the look out - but yes lol I know that doesn’t sound great to a lot of people. But it does to me. My interest in testing started after I worked with my last team and was able to read the reports from the psyd students. So have had the opportunity to ask a lot of questions about what we did there and the process.
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Bless you. We need more people who enjoy the testing and writing process (more so the latter haha that’s the real slog). Btw I was a masters level therapist and applied for PsyD (and PhD but that’s not relevant) programs in 2019 with a similar profile to yours and got into every single one. Not your same schools but very similar tiers and student body profile. I think you’ll be fine with strong LORs and interview prep 🙂
 
chicandtoughness said:
Bless you. We need more people who enjoy the testing and writing process (more so the latter haha that’s the real slog). Btw I was a masters level therapist and applied for PsyD (and PhD but that’s not relevant) programs in 2019 with a similar profile to yours and got into every single one. Not your same schools but very similar tiers and student body profile. I think you’ll be fine with strong LORs and interview prep 🙂
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Writing is oddly calming for me, I’m sure there will be times when I’m like what did I do haha. But I am hopeful that I’ll really enjoy it!

Thank you that’s great to hear! I was a bit worried if my masters would be hindering me. I am working on strong reposes for why psyd now for interview prep!

Thank you for all the feedback!
 
Hi!

I’m currently an undergrad (graduating August 2025/ January 2026) at a tiny college with no research opportunities.

I work as a program assistant in a shelter for people who are homeless and have mental health diagnoses, and I’m applying to summer programs to gain research experience.



Current GPA:

3.3 overall

4.0 psych



I’m a good test-taker and plan on taking the GREs, where I’m currently projected to score:

4.5-5.5 AW

168+ Verbal

Quant is a toss-up, but definitely above 164ish, and I’m hoping (and studying) to get in the higher 160s



I plan on applying to terminal master’s programs in General/ Clinical Psych for Fall 2025/Spring 2026.



Note: I do have a significant amount of “W”s on my transcript, but these don’t affect my GPA



A few questions:

  1. What are my chances of getting in to a terminal master’s program at a pretty high-end university (think NYU, Columbia) with my current application (it’s not looking like I’ll be getting any research experience prior to submitting my application)?
  2. Cost aside, if my plan is to apply to doctoral programs (PhD and/or PsyD, still undecided), am I on the right track here with a General/ Clinical Psych master’s?
  3. If my Master’s GPA is good, will that be a strong enough counterbalance to my subpar undergrad GPA?
  4. Any tips on how to get research experience in?
  5. Over the next year or two, what can/should I be doing to make myself a more competitive applicant to doctoral program?


Thank you!!
 
NoodleNet said:
Hi!

I’m currently an undergrad (graduating August 2025/ January 2026) at a tiny college with no research opportunities.

I work as a program assistant in a shelter for people who are homeless and have mental health diagnoses, and I’m applying to summer programs to gain research experience.



Current GPA:

3.3 overall

4.0 psych



I’m a good test-taker and plan on taking the GREs, where I’m currently projected to score:

4.5-5.5 AW

168+ Verbal

Quant is a toss-up, but definitely above 164ish, and I’m hoping (and studying) to get in the higher 160s



I plan on applying to terminal master’s programs in General/ Clinical Psych for Fall 2025/Spring 2026.



Note: I do have a significant amount of “W”s on my transcript, but these don’t affect my GPA



A few questions:

  1. What are my chances of getting in to a terminal master’s program at a pretty high-end university (think NYU, Columbia) with my current application (it’s not looking like I’ll be getting any research experience prior to submitting my application)?
  2. Cost aside, if my plan is to apply to doctoral programs (PhD and/or PsyD, still undecided), am I on the right track here with a General/ Clinical Psych master’s?
  3. If my Master’s GPA is good, will that be a strong enough counterbalance to my subpar undergrad GPA?
  4. Any tips on how to get research experience in?
  5. Over the next year or two, what can/should I be doing to make myself a more competitive applicant to doctoral program?


Thank you!!
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What is a "significant amount of Ws?"
 
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NoodleNet said:
  1. What are my chances of getting in to a terminal master’s program at a pretty high-end university (think NYU, Columbia) with my current application (it’s not looking like I’ll be getting any research experience prior to submitting my application)?
  2. Cost aside, if my plan is to apply to doctoral programs (PhD and/or PsyD, still undecided), am I on the right track here with a General/ Clinical Psych master’s?
  3. If my Master’s GPA is good, will that be a strong enough counterbalance to my subpar undergrad GPA?
  4. Any tips on how to get research experience in?
  5. Over the next year or two, what can/should I be doing to make myself a more competitive applicant to doctoral program?
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"High end" doesn't matter/exist in psychology IMO.

For example, 3 of the most well-regarding psychology programs that I'm aware of are at the U of Minnesota, U of Florida, and U of Missouri at Columbia. In fact, zero Ivies or private universities would make it on my list of places that I would be impressed by if looking at a CV.

The key would be to get set up with a place where you can do research that would be relevant for doctoral studies. Ideally, you'll be able to do a thesis and have peer reviewed projects completed or in submission when you apply to a doctorate. Even more ideally, you'll be working with a professor who has some ties in the field, which can be helpful open doors for doctoral admissions (eg you worked in a lab that other people think highly of).

Because without research experience, you'll only be competitive for diploma mill-style PsyD programs.
 
NoodleNet said:
Hi!

I’m currently an undergrad (graduating August 2025/ January 2026) at a tiny college with no research opportunities.

I work as a program assistant in a shelter for people who are homeless and have mental health diagnoses, and I’m applying to summer programs to gain research experience.



Current GPA:

3.3 overall

4.0 psych



I’m a good test-taker and plan on taking the GREs, where I’m currently projected to score:

4.5-5.5 AW

168+ Verbal

Quant is a toss-up, but definitely above 164ish, and I’m hoping (and studying) to get in the higher 160s



I plan on applying to terminal master’s programs in General/ Clinical Psych for Fall 2025/Spring 2026.



Note: I do have a significant amount of “W”s on my transcript, but these don’t affect my GPA



A few questions:

  1. What are my chances of getting in to a terminal master’s program at a pretty high-end university (think NYU, Columbia) with my current application (it’s not looking like I’ll be getting any research experience prior to submitting my application)?
  2. Cost aside, if my plan is to apply to doctoral programs (PhD and/or PsyD, still undecided), am I on the right track here with a General/ Clinical Psych master’s?
  3. If my Master’s GPA is good, will that be a strong enough counterbalance to my subpar undergrad GPA?
  4. Any tips on how to get research experience in?
  5. Over the next year or two, what can/should I be doing to make myself a more competitive applicant to doctoral program?


Thank you!!
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I took the same route as you, doing a terminal master's first due to not being competitive for PhD based on undergrad performance, so I think it can be a good path. I do think that limiting yourself to places in major cities like NYC is going to cut down on your chance of being accepted. I recommend applying to wide range of programs (I would apply to 10 or so places) in a variety of places to maximize your chance of getting accepted, especially since you do not have research experience. As summerbabe said, some "prestigious" schools don't actually carry that much weight in the psych world and get a lot of applications mostly because a lot of people want to live in major cities. Master's GPA may help you and it may not. I know some people who got a master's with a great GPA and still were not accepted to PhD programs. The people I am thinking of who this happened to, went to work in research labs for a couple of years, reapplied and then were successful in being admitted. My personal recommendation is to go to a program that has a terminal master's program that would allow you to get licensure as a master's level practitioner, so if you do not succeed in getting into a doctoral program, you have a back up plan. The best things you can do is get research experience and try to get some publications and conference presentations. Also, build strong relationships with faculty in your master's program, as they have connections to programs all over the country and positive recommendations from them and networking opportunities through them can really help boost your doc application. Best of luck!

Also, I do think you will have to address why you have a lot of Ws on your transcript. Even if they don't impact your GPA, it may raise some red flags. If you have a faculty member at your current uni who is willing to help you with the application process, I would ask them if this is something that you should address in your personal statement.
 
I did a terminal masters and it really hampered my chances of getting into a good/fully funded PhD program (got into every PsyD easily). The research support in terminal masters programs is simply not there - folks are interested in clinical practice and not further studies, so most of your classes and time will be taken in clinical practice. If your ultimate goal is a PhD (as a primary goal, not just a "meh this could be nice to have"), I highly suggest doing the research masters route (M.A. or M.S. in Psychology), not a terminal masters. (There are exceptions to this rule of course - some masters in counseling are actually PhD prep programs in disguise, like Boston College's.)
 
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I did a terminal masters and it really hampered my chances of getting into a good/fully funded PhD program (got into every PsyD easily). The research support in terminal masters programs is simply not there - folks are interested in clinical practice and not further studies, so most of your classes and time will be taken in clinical practice. If your ultimate goal is a PhD (as a primary goal, not just a "meh this could be nice to have"), I highly suggest doing the research masters route (M.A. or M.S. in Psychology), not a terminal masters. (There are exceptions to this rule of course - some masters in counseling are actually PhD prep programs in disguise, like Boston College's.)
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Thank you all for the responses!
What do you mean when you say that doing a terminal masters hampered your chances on getting in to a good PhD program? Do they look at B.A./ B.S.-only applicants more favorably?
 
NoodleNet said:
Thank you all for the responses!
What do you mean when you say that doing a terminal masters hampered your chances on getting in to a good PhD program? Do they look at B.A./ B.S.-only applicants more favorably?
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I assume they mean that many terminal master's programs do not have much opportunity for research, as many of those programs are intended for licensure at the master's level (LPA, LPC, etc.). In those cases, your time is probably better spent looking for full-time research jobs that can lead to tangible research productivity, like a postbac research coordinator or lead research assistant position. This is because most PhD programs want to see research experience, as that is often the #1 most important consideration for acceptance. However, if the intention of the master's program is to prepare you for a PhD program, this would be different and you may benefit from going to that type of program if you lack any research experience. In my opinion, if you have little to no research experience, I'm not confident you would land a role as a lead research coordinator. That was my experience coming out of undergrad. That is why I applied to master's programs, which helped me gain more research experience as well as clinical experience to see if the field was right for me. I'm glad I did my master's degree before pursuing a PhD. You could also volunteer to work in a lab to get experience, but I don't have much experience with that.

Anecdotally, my master's program in clinical psychology had a thesis track and I was actively engaged in 2 research labs during my time. If you are looking for a master's program that would prepare you for a PhD, I would recommend looking at programs only with a thesis track and the program explicitly mentioning the research experiences students get. I would also ask whether previous students have been successful in being accepting to PhD programs.
 
NoodleNet said:
Thank you all for the responses!
What do you mean when you say that doing a terminal masters hampered your chances on getting in to a good PhD program? Do they look at B.A./ B.S.-only applicants more favorably?
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Can confirm, some (not all) PhD programs will generally not accept master's applicants for the most part. Not commenting on the fairness or anything, just saying that I know several personally like this.
 
NoodleNet said:
Thank you all for the responses!
What do you mean when you say that doing a terminal masters hampered your chances on getting in to a good PhD program? Do they look at B.A./ B.S.-only applicants more favorably?
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It comes down to goals and career paths. PhD programs are all about goals related to academia, research, and related pursuits. If you have a clinical masters, you have already picked an alternative path. Much like have a nursing degree and applying to med school, there is bias if you have picked an alternative path rather than pursuing a singular goal. It does not mean you won't get in but it may affect your favorability compared to peers.
 
chicandtoughness said:
I did a terminal masters and it really hampered my chances of getting into a good/fully funded PhD program (got into every PsyD easily). The research support in terminal masters programs is simply not there - folks are interested in clinical practice and not further studies, so most of your classes and time will be taken in clinical practice. If your ultimate goal is a PhD (as a primary goal, not just a "meh this could be nice to have"), I highly suggest doing the research masters route (M.A. or M.S. in Psychology), not a terminal masters. (There are exceptions to this rule of course - some masters in counseling are actually PhD prep programs in disguise, like Boston College's.)
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The other exception is counseling psych phd programs, especially the more balanced ones and if you can also demonstrate research interest. There was even one top program that required one back in my day, if I recall correctly. I had a terminal masters and got into a funded clinical psych program, fwiw.
 
The problem is that most terminal masters programs are simply not set up to provide good research experiences. I would consider myself someone who takes initiative to find outside opportunities, and came out of my terminal masters with three major projects under my belt (plenty of posters, no pubs, 2 manuscripts in prep that are now published papers), and the feedback was that this still wasn’t enough. Northeastern was one Counseling Psych PhD program I applied to that required a masters (of any type), but those programs have major preference to affiliated masters (they had 5 spots that year I believe, and they all went to graduates of their own masters in counseling psych).

The path of least resistance is to do a research/doctoral prep masters with built in research opportunities, or work as a research coordinator for a few years.

CAN it be done with a terminal masters? Sure. Is it easier than the alternative? Not at all.
 
chicandtoughness said:
The problem is that most terminal masters programs are simply not set up to provide good research experiences. I would consider myself someone who takes initiative to find outside opportunities, and came out of my terminal masters with three major projects under my belt (plenty of posters, no pubs, 2 manuscripts in prep that are now published papers), and the feedback was that this still wasn’t enough. Northeastern was one Counseling Psych PhD program I applied to that required a masters (of any type), but those programs have major preference to affiliated masters (they had 5 spots that year I believe, and they all went to graduates of their own masters in counseling psych).

The path of least resistance is to do a research/doctoral prep masters with built in research opportunities, or work as a research coordinator for a few years.

CAN it be done with a terminal masters? Sure. Is it easier than the alternative? Not at all.
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I also had to seek out external opportunities at the local AMC in order to be competitive for PhD programs after completing my counseling degree. I only had research experience (no posters or pubs) that consisted mainly of psychometry and data entry. I applied to ~12 programs and received five offers from balanced programs in counseling psych with partial or full funding.

ETA the obvious that this is a path, but I agree with others that it's not necessarily an easier or more desirable one, all things considered.
 
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nicetea said:
Hellooo Everyone,



I have been getting wait anxiety after submitting all of my PsyD applications wondering if anyone has any feedback on if they think I have a competitive application.



Undergrad GPA: 3.4

Psych GPA undergrad: 3.6

Graduate GPA: 3.8



Relevant work: RA in grad at JHU, for two years. I have my masters/LPC/LMHC for five years. Have been doing full time clinical work in a variety of settings. I have worked on two grant funded clinical research programs for 4 years. During this time I have also received training in crisis care working in emergency rooms (moon lighting mostly) at one point worked full time for 7 months prior to a move. I also do private practice work on my own.



Research/interest: Interested in testing particularly neuropsychological testing, health psychology - the ways that psychology could be added into inpatient care or women’s health to increase follow up/provider trust with patients or something researching interventions to decrease PPD/anxiety (psycho edu/support at the clinic level to expecting parents), and teaching.



I do not have any publications or posters.



I applied to:

Denver U

Uindy

Roosevelt

Rutgers

Stanford PGSP

Loyola Maryland

La Salle



LOR:

1 PsyD - supervised me during my pre licensed period (encouraged me to continue schooling)

1 PhD Psychology - PI for the job I currently am working

1 MD/CEO dept of psychology: psychiatrist of the team I previously worked on (encouraged me to continue schooling)



SOP: I worked on my SOP starting in July, worked with a professional editor for guidance and also had one of my recommenders read the letter and provide feedback (a PsyD). I feel it’s pretty solid but some of these schools had various random writing prompts that I had to create new essays for (Denver).



GRE: didn’t take it as the schools did not require it



Concerns: undergrad GPA, the letter from my PI may not be as strong as the other two, not having any publications, I’m in my 30s and not a traditional student taking this route a bit later



To answer the question why get a PsyD after getting my masters. To be honest I am a first gen college student both of my parents didn’t graduate high school and I have very limited academic support navigating college. When I was finishing undergrad I knew I wanted to continue school however, didn’t really think that a doctoral degree was something I could attain. Now having worked in the field I continue to run into barriers practicing at a masters level. Ex: testing/research/teaching. While these topics continue to interest me I cannot do more than what I am currently doing. After working and understanding graduate level programs I now feel like I am able to apply. With that being said, I am highly anxious about the entire waiting period. Any feedback is greatly appreciated! TYIA!
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Looping back around for anyone who has been digging through threads like I was several months ago!

I ended up pulling my app from PGSP because of an odd course situation. So ended up with 6 applications.

Of the 6, got three interviews. 2 offers and the other interview I declined because it was ranked lower than the other two schools on my list. Happy to be able to put the stress behind me and start looking forward to the next set of hard work lol the actual program.

If any applicants are worried - as I was. Keep working hard and I hope you get where you want to be! Good luck applying!
 
Hi everyone,


I'm looking for advice on my chances for a research-focused masters program in psychology before applying to clinical psychology PhD programs. Here's a bit about my background:


  • Graduated ~10 months ago from a "Public Ivy"
  • Overall GPA: 3.1 | Major GPA(Psychology): 3.5 | Minor GPA(Neuroscience): 3.6
  • 2 years of full-time research experience in a neuro-behavior/neurodevelopment lab
  • One publication (not first author), one poster presentation
  • Full-time lab manager & research assistant experience
  • Strong interest in clinical psychology, particularly in neurodevelopment and psychopathology among adolescents
  • Interested in PhD programs long term as I love research and would love the option to teach/mentor as well as practice

I understand that my overall GPA is on the lower side for clinical psych PhD programs, so I’d like to strengthen my application with a research-focused masters. The lower gpa is due to chemistry and physics courses. I spent the first 3 years of undergrad as a neuroscience major before shifting to psychology my senior year. Does anyone have recommendations for solid master's programs that emphasize research experience and could help make me a more competitive PhD applicant? Additionally, any insight into how my current stats might be viewed by admissions committees would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks in advance!
 
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Hi everyone,


I’m planning to apply to Clinical Psychology PhD programs and I’m looking for advice on preparing a strong application and navigating the process. Specifically, I’m hoping to get guidance on:
  • The general process for applying (timeline, application components, interviews, etc.)
  • How to identify strong programs and faculty that align with research and clinical interests
  • Ways to strengthen an undergraduate resume (research experience, coursework, volunteering, publications, etc.)
  • Recommendations for how and when to apply, including strategies and potential pitfalls
  • Insights into successfully transitioning from undergrad to a PhD program in clinical psychology

Background:
  • Current GPA is 3.972
  • Currently working in two research labs: one focused on juries and legal decision-making, and another on reading compliance in honors classes
  • Have applied to several psychology research labs and am waiting to hear back
  • Intern at my county's Sheriff's Dept, work in data analytics
  • Have reached out to professors at PhD programs of interest to ask for both application advice and general guidance

I’d be very grateful for any guidance, personal experiences, or resources you can share.
 
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ResearchAnchor said:
Hi everyone,


I’m planning to apply to Clinical Psychology PhD programs and I’m looking for advice on preparing a strong application and navigating the process. Specifically, I’m hoping to get guidance on:
  • The general process for applying (timeline, application components, interviews, etc.)
  • How to identify strong programs and faculty that align with research and clinical interests
  • Ways to strengthen an undergraduate resume (research experience, coursework, volunteering, publications, etc.)
  • Recommendations for how and when to apply, including strategies and potential pitfalls
  • Insights into successfully transitioning from undergrad to a PhD program in clinical psychology

Background:
  • Current GPA is 3.972
  • Currently working in two research labs: one focused on juries and legal decision-making, and another on reading compliance in honors classes
  • Have applied to several psychology research labs and am waiting to hear back
  • Intern at my county's Sheriff's Dept, work in data analytics
  • Have reached out to professors at PhD programs of interest to ask for both application advice and general guidance

I’d be very grateful for any guidance, personal experiences, or resources you can share.
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ResearchAnchor said:
Hi everyone,


I’m planning to apply to Clinical Psychology PhD programs and I’m looking for advice on preparing a strong application and navigating the process. Specifically, I’m hoping to get guidance on:
  • The general process for applying (timeline, application components, interviews, etc.)
  • How to identify strong programs and faculty that align with research and clinical interests
  • Ways to strengthen an undergraduate resume (research experience, coursework, volunteering, publications, etc.)
  • Recommendations for how and when to apply, including strategies and potential pitfalls
  • Insights into successfully transitioning from undergrad to a PhD program in clinical psychology

Background:
  • Current GPA is 3.972
  • Currently working in two research labs: one focused on juries and legal decision-making, and another on reading compliance in honors classes
  • Have applied to several psychology research labs and am waiting to hear back
  • Intern at my county's Sheriff's Dept, work in data analytics
  • Have reached out to professors at PhD programs of interest to ask for both application advice and general guidance

I’d be very grateful for any guidance, personal experiences, or resources you can share.
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What are you doing in the research labs? Any posters or publications? How long have you been in the labs? How many hours per week? Do you have three good sources for recommendation letters?

As for identifying professors, I researched the people who wrote publications that I found compelling.
 
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