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I’d like to report someone threw paint at my car yesterday so I’ve received my cosmic karma :/ I’d further like to apologize to @SleazySalesMed. My emotions got the best of me.

I’d also like to genuinely wish everyone the best of luck tomorrow. Although it’s not luck, as I’m sure everyone is deserving of an acceptance regardless of what happens HOPEFULLY tomorrow. <3!!
 
pinkslip2020 said:
Ok. So I just called and asked "Will decisions be sent out today?" and they said that we will know by email by March 15th.
I said "March 15th is a Sunday, so will you release decisions on the weekend?" and they said, "Yes, possibly. But you will know by March 15th."
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Lmao it sounds like they are getting tired of us. There is really no harm in calling but I’m not sure that it really provides any useful information. The year that someone called and asked if it would be today and they confirmed it, decisions had already started going out. Im pretty sure there was a post-II R on the thread before they made the call. It is incredibly unlikely that you are going to get any answer other than “you will get an email by March 15th” until decisions are actively being released in which case it doesn’t really matter.
 
pinkslip2020 said:
Ok. So I just called and asked "Will decisions be sent out today?" and they said that we will know by email by March 15th.
I said "March 15th is a Sunday, so will you release decisions on the weekend?" and they said, "Yes, possibly. But you will know by March 15th."
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Damn so not today....
 
MammothMD_2024 said:
Didn’t they stop interviewing earlier than past years? If so, why is it taking them the same time, if not longer, to send out decisions?? This is v frustrating...
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Ima guess it’s bc they have to be more selective this year since they will anticipate their yield to be much higher.

But just give me the dam R or WL so I can move on already...
 
MammothMD_2024 said:
Didn’t they stop interviewing earlier than past years? If so, why is it taking them the same time, if not longer, to send out decisions?? This is v frustrating...
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@throwaway2020MD asked for wild speculation so I shall deliver.
Maybe the entire adcom spent the summer training with a pick up artist and now they are trying to neg/play hard to get with all the applicants as a recruitment strategy.
 
medschoolthrowaway2020 said:
@throwaway2020MD asked for wild speculation so I shall deliver.
Maybe the entire adcom spent the summer training with a pick up artist and now they are trying to neg/play hard to get with all the applicants as a recruitment strategy.
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Wild speculation: Our decisions are under quarantine 😵
 
@hannakm As a current student, do you have any details/insight about how debt free works at Weill Cornell? Specifically, whether you still have to take loans to cover your EFC when your family won't be contributing?
 
SpoopySkeltal said:
Specifically, whether you still have to take loans to cover your EFC when your family won't be contributing?
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Is this asking if you have a decent/high EFC whether or not you can avoid loans because your parents don't want to pay? Columbia basically told my roommate that since you have the ability to pay, you don't qualify as "needing" it. How your family personally chooses to spend their money isn't their problem lol. Otherwise everyone, in that predicament, parents' would claim they're hands off. I doubt Cornell would give that different of an answer, but interested to hear otherwise.
 
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Dream of the Endless said:
Is this asking if you have a decent/high EFC whether or not you can avoid loans because your parents don't want to pay? Columbia basically told my roommate that since you have the ability to pay, you don't qualify as "needing" it. How your family personally chooses to spend their money isn't their problem lol. Otherwise everyone, in that predicament, parents' would claim they're hands off. I doubt Cornell would give that different of an answer, but interested to hear otherwise.
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Thanks for the response. That means students like me have high EFC, but whose family doesn't have the level of income to realistically pay $80,000 a year, will still end up with a buttload of loans. That doesn't seem very "debt-free" to me. I imagine a lot of us are in the same boat.
 
SpoopySkeltal said:
Thanks for the response. That means students like me have high EFC, but whose family doesn't have the level of income to realistically pay $80,000 a year, will still end up with a buttload of loans. That doesn't seem very "debt-free" to me. I imagine a lot of us are in the same boat.
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Yeah, it's unfortunate. It's pretty common that many people complain that their EFC is unrealistic. But just like with FAP, it's a limited fund with a purpose. So I understand why they give it out at their discretion instead of indiscriminately. Otherwise they wouldn't make us jump through that extra hoop that is the CSS profile to find their target audience lol
 
SpoopySkeltal said:
Thanks for the response. That means students like me have high EFC, but whose family doesn't have the level of income to realistically pay $80,000 a year, will still end up with a buttload of loans. That doesn't seem very "debt-free" to me. I imagine a lot of us are in the same boat.
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I completely see where you’re coming from, but what would a good alternative be (genuinely wondering myself). Like the other poster said, every “high income” parent would say they’re not contributing if it meant they could get free money from the school
 
PickMeUpImScared said:
I completely see where you’re coming from, but what would a good alternative be (genuinely wondering myself). Like the other poster said, every “high income” parent would say they’re not contributing if it meant they could get free money from the school
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I'm not really referring to "high income." There are of course families that make enough where dishing out $80,000 is negligible. I presume that financial aid and cost doesn't matter much to those students anyways. I'm referring to the vast majority of families making enough money to have high EFC, but feel significant burden paying that money ($150,000-250,000 income) This problem is perhaps more reflective of how EFC is calculated, as well as the insane burden of medical education cost at large.
 
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PickMeUpImScared said:
I completely see where you’re coming from, but what would a good alternative be (genuinely wondering myself). Like the other poster said, every “high income” parent would say they’re not contributing if it meant they could get free money from the school
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The alternative? More philanthropy. But It’s up to us to convince them to donate. Let’s make it happen people! Put on those tuxes and get to work!
 
SpoopySkeltal said:
I'm not really referring to "high income." There are of course families that make enough where dishing out $80,000 is negligible. I presume that financial aid and cost doesn't matter much to those students anyways. I'm referring to the vast majority of families making enough money to have high EFC, but feel significant burden paying that money ($150,000-250,000 income) This problem is perhaps more reflective of how EFC is calculated, as well as the insane burden of medical education cost at large.
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I agree the problem is more the way EFC is calculated, that these schools expect parents to pay for the schooling of 24-28 year olds (and average 1st year age is also getting slightly older each year).

But the way it is now, you would have an EFC at every school. At Cornell, you're just not given a base unit loan on top of that since they are debt-free. So in that way, the debt-free initiative is still nice.
 
caffeinatedMD8 said:
I agree the problem is more the way EFC is calculated, that these schools expect parents to pay for the schooling of 24-28 year olds (and average 1st year age is also getting slightly older each year).

But the way it is now, you would have an EFC at every school. At Cornell, you're just not given a base unit loan on top of that since they are debt-free. So in that way, the debt-free initiative is still nice.
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The way EFC is calculated is definitely not very representative of most families. They expect almost 100% of family income to go towards paying for school
 
Whose parents make 150-250k and it’s calculated that you’re EFC is 80k?? Being realistic here, it’s probably more like 30k or so but I wouldn’t know so I’m genuinely curious
 
someone at my interview told me that their parents are both doctors and they still got ~75% tuition covered. Obviously I have no idea what this random persons financial situation is really like but generally i don't think my working class parents are any where near that kind of wealth so i am cautiously optimistic.
 
medschoolthrowaway2020 said:
someone at my interview told me that their parents are both doctors and they still got ~75% tuition covered. Obviously I have no idea what this random persons financial situation is really like but generally i don't think my working class parents are any where near that kind of wealth so i am cautiously optimistic.
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well our class would be the first Cornell class to experience this program so we can’t really accurately predict any outcomes
 
Dr. Tunechi97 said:
well our class would be the first Cornell class to experience this program so we can’t really accurately predict any outcomes
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the program went into effect immediately so all four classes currently at Cornell are experiencing it, it just wasn't retroactive but I imagine they calculated the EFC the same way
 
PickMeUpImScared said:
the program went into effect immediately so all four classes currently at Cornell are experiencing it, it just wasn't retroactive but I imagine they calculated the EFC the same way
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yeah I'm fairly certain its already in effect at Cornell or else the people I talked to at my interview were very, very confused and actively defaulting on tuition lol
 
caffeinatedMD8 said:
I agree the problem is more the way EFC is calculated, that these schools expect parents to pay for the schooling of 24-28 year olds (and average 1st year age is also getting slightly older each year
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I also don't believe it to be unfair to include the possibility of your family paying for your education at least up until your mid-late 20s, because it is not uncommon for exactly that to happen lol. It seems like a situation of the minority screwing it up for the majority, but it still happens
 
musician8591 said:
I’ve just been thinking about how I’ve somehow gotten my hopes up about Weill Cornell when I’ve been pretty much waitlisted to any peer institutions or even those ranked lower. Why am I wasting my time frantically awaiting a positive response from this school?
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I think that's exactly the reason we have our hopes up. Hopefully we got all the waitlists out of our system and Cornell is the one!
 
PickMeUpImScared said:
The way EFC is calculated is definitely not very representative of most families. They expect almost 100% of family income to go towards paying for school
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that why some schools require a CSS profile?
 
So probably not today since it hasn’t been on a Tuesday since 2011 right?


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Dream of the Endless said:
I also don't believe it to be unfair to include the possibility of your family paying for your education at least up until your mid-late 20s, because it is not uncommon for exactly that to happen lol. It seems like a situation of the minority screwing it up for the majority, but it still happens
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Does anyone know how they handle mid-late 20’s aged students (@ Me) who have filed taxes as an independent for multiple years since I actually don’t receive support from family? I included parental information because it seemed to be required if you’re under 40 per Cornell’s site, but not sure if my being financially “independent” by taxes makes me treated any differently from a younger applicant who still files as a dependent.
 
politimed said:
Does anyone know how they handle mid-late 20’s aged students (@ Me) who have filed taxes as an independent for multiple years since I actually don’t receive support from family? I included parental information because it seemed to be required if you’re under 40 per Cornell’s site, but not sure if my being financially “independent” by taxes makes me treated any differently from a younger applicant who still files as a dependent.
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Unsure how Weill handles it but I’m in a similar boat. I know that other schools have told me explicitly that they’ll factor in parental income regardless of whether or not they’ll pay—you have to prove extenuating circumstances (like having been estranged from them, etc.). Soooo not great :/
 
politimed said:
Does anyone know how they handle mid-late 20’s aged students (@ Me) who have filed taxes as an independent for multiple years since I actually don’t receive support from family? I included parental information because it seemed to be required if you’re under 40 per Cornell’s site, but not sure if my being financially “independent” by taxes makes me treated any differently from a younger applicant who still files as a dependent.
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You're not treated as different lol. Need based aid is calculated based off of your parents-income. The majority of parents arent dinguses who wouldn't help their child if they had to. If this were not the case then everyone who applies to medical school would apply as an independent and take financial aid from those who actually need and give to kids whose parents are just too stingy to help their child.

Also, professional students are considered independent for the purposes of federal financial aid, so a separate declaration of independence won't make any difference on that front.
 
Punky Brewster said:
Depending on what “5% of assets” is for your family, it could be a similar number to 100% of family income, so ur not wrong per se. but it’s calculated using the spread proudofmykids mentioned
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FAFSA wrt assets excludes: pension / 401k and the equity in the family primary residence.
 
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