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This looks like a very useful forum and website as a whole for getting questions answered regarding psychology. Here are my stats and experience, let me know what you think. I would prefer going the funded Ph.D route over the Psy.D. route, but I'm not opposed to it. Could you tell me your experiences or what type of program I would be competitive in? Thanks!


Double Major - Psychology & Sport Management
Undergrad Cum GPA: 3.51
Psych/Last 2 years: 3.81
Will take GRE this summer (I know it may be difficult to project w/o these scores)
Will have strong letters of recommendation from professors at 15,000+ student school (we have one of the top clinical phd programs)

Consider myself to be a pretty strong writer

Won Best Undergrad Poster @ Poster Presentation at Idaho Psychology Association Convention (Possibly APA too) - First Author
Poster Presentation at Idaho Psychology Association Convention - Second Author
Poster at APA Convention - Third Author

No publications yet - APA poster is a great possibility.

3 semesters of research lab work regarding resiliency, effortful control, and administering DKEFs to study participants

I have a years worth of experience being on a children/parenting skills clinical practicum team

One semester on adult clinical practicum team

I have 3 semesters of forensic/psychology and the law experience - working at a prison, helping with psychological evals on inmates, and scoring psychological tests

Extra curricular:
I played 4 years of football at a division 1 school (pretty time consuming)
Member of Psi Chi (psychology club)
Raised over $4000 for Athletic Department and developed "I Club" for former athletes
 
dokte said:
Thought it might be a good idea to just ask here.

I'm finishing up my Junior year, and I'm actually moving away from being a pre-med (for the past 3 yrs) and starting to realize I may want to go the clinical PhD route.

I've always been a psych major; but I haven't done psych research (done biogeochem research though) or anything pertaining to psych that may boast my app. I'm pretty much done with my BS, but what are some things I could start doing NOW to help me boost my chances?
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I was kind of in the same boat I was pre-med and actually took the mcat before deciding to go to clinical psych. Unless you are going the psyd route or somehow find a program as a phd that is veryyyyy clinically oriented you definitely need psych research. in every phd program I applied to you basically worked with a professor in their lab and basically the defining characteristic they looked for in picking a student was similar research interests and experiences so you are going to need to find a place where you can even volunteer part time doing psychological research. Hopefully you can get a strong letter of rec out of it, but thats the first step I think.
 
I apologize in advance for the amount of info I am about to give, but I could use some opinions, I am feeling pretty lost right now.

I am graduating with a BA in Psychology from a major state university in a few weeks (took me 5 years). Throughout high school and my first 3 years of college, I knew I wanted to become a psychologist in a private practice. However, that was about all I knew. Due to personal problems (physical health, lack of motivation/partying too hard, family death, etc) I did not do any research on the field/grad school until about 8 months ago, and before had just avoided it, assuming I was on the right path and could get into grad school somewhat easily. Obviously, I was dead wrong, and looking back I feel pretty silly for thinking that. I am now realizing after researching somewhat heavily the last 8 months (I also took a class at my university called Grad School Prep in Psychology) that even if I take a year (even two!) off to work on my application, it still might not be enough, and I need some opinions.

My current application:

3.1 overall GPA, 3.2 psychology GPA

3.8 GPA last 50 credits (almost 2 years, mostly upper divisions). I feel like this shows closer to my potential as a student because I am smart, I just never applied myself before that. I worked very hard to change my priorities and work ethic.

I only have 1 experience as a life skills teacher for a transitional home close to my university (6 months). No research experience. I am lacking here because again, I have only been recently looking into what I need to get in for about 8 months. I have not taken the GRE's yet but I will be taking a GRE class this summer. I have 2 letters of recommendation lined up, need 1 more.

After researching online, asking some professors and practicing PsyDs, I think my heart lies more with a PsyD because I would eventually want to do private practice with some possible teaching on the side (community college/professional school, not university teaching because those are PhDs). I have been getting compliments on my communication and interpersonal skills a lot the last few years, and feel this is the correct route for me, despite most people saying that the PhD route is better/smarter.

Now that you have some background on my situation, my questions are:

1) What exactly should I be doing this year (and next year if I need) to make my application competitive? I have heard things like take a few non degree seeking graduate classes, volunteer as an RA (for PhD), find another clinically related volunteer experience like my first one (PsyD), take a GRE course, get a job in the field. Is this enough?

2) Am I doomed with a 3.1 GPA even if I spend some time getting more experiences? Should I honestly start looking at other options? (law school interests me, I might consider getting a masters)

3) How much would getting a masters in the meantime actually help me out even if I get good grades? I asked my university advisor and a professor and both said that they would rather take an exceptional undergrad than an average undergrad (me) who got a masters and did well in the masters. Is this true in your experiences?

4) Based on my situation, one option is to go to Argosy, because I would get accepted. From what I have read, it seems that I would almost rather not go to Argosy at all than to go there just because it is the only place I would get accepted. If university based PsyDs are the way to go like I have been reading, are there specifically any programs I should look into that might be more lenient on accepting but still university based and quality enough to do what I want to do? I obviously don’t need Pepperdine or Rutgers but I think to make this massive amount of debt worth it I would need to find somewhere university based that is decent or at least a lot better than Argosy.

I know it is hard to answer without my GRE scores and I know this is a lot of typing, but I appreciate any answers as I have been agonizing about this for a while now. Thanks!
 
OK sorry, maybe a moderator can move this to the WAMC thread for me then? Thanks
 
Ghostwriter574 said:
I apologize in advance for the amount of info I am about to give, but I could use some opinions, I am feeling pretty lost right now.

I am graduating with a BA in Psychology from a major state university in a few weeks (took me 5 years). Throughout high school and my first 3 years of college, I knew I wanted to become a psychologist in a private practice. However, that was about all I knew. Due to personal problems (physical health, lack of motivation/partying too hard, family death, etc) I did not do any research on the field/grad school until about 8 months ago, and before had just avoided it, assuming I was on the right path and could get into grad school somewhat easily. Obviously, I was dead wrong, and looking back I feel pretty silly for thinking that. I am now realizing after researching somewhat heavily the last 8 months (I also took a class at my university called Grad School Prep in Psychology) that even if I take a year (even two!) off to work on my application, it still might not be enough, and I need some opinions.

My current application:

3.1 overall GPA, 3.2 psychology GPA

3.8 GPA last 50 credits (almost 2 years, mostly upper divisions). I feel like this shows closer to my potential as a student because I am smart, I just never applied myself before that. I worked very hard to change my priorities and work ethic.

I only have 1 experience as a life skills teacher for a transitional home close to my university (6 months). No research experience. I am lacking here because again, I have only been recently looking into what I need to get in for about 8 months. I have not taken the GRE's yet but I will be taking a GRE class this summer. I have 2 letters of recommendation lined up, need 1 more.

After researching online, asking some professors and practicing PsyDs, I think my heart lies more with a PsyD because I would eventually want to do private practice with some possible teaching on the side (community college/professional school, not university teaching because those are PhDs). I have been getting compliments on my communication and interpersonal skills a lot the last few years, and feel this is the correct route for me, despite most people saying that the PhD route is better/smarter.

Now that you have some background on my situation, my questions are:

1) What exactly should I be doing this year (and next year if I need) to make my application competitive? I have heard things like take a few non degree seeking graduate classes, volunteer as an RA (for PhD), find another clinically related volunteer experience like my first one (PsyD), take a GRE course, get a job in the field. Is this enough?

2) Am I doomed with a 3.1 GPA even if I spend some time getting more experiences? Should I honestly start looking at other options? (law school interests me, I might consider getting a masters)

3) How much would getting a masters in the meantime actually help me out even if I get good grades? I asked my university advisor and a professor and both said that they would rather take an exceptional undergrad than an average undergrad (me) who got a masters and did well in the masters. Is this true in your experiences?

4) Based on my situation, one option is to go to Argosy, because I would get accepted. From what I have read, it seems that I would almost rather not go to Argosy at all than to go there just because it is the only place I would get accepted. If university based PsyDs are the way to go like I have been reading, are there specifically any programs I should look into that might be more lenient on accepting but still university based and quality enough to do what I want to do? I obviously don't need Pepperdine or Rutgers but I think to make this massive amount of debt worth it I would need to find somewhere university based that is decent or at least a lot better than Argosy.

I know it is hard to answer without my GRE scores and I know this is a lot of typing, but I appreciate any answers as I have been agonizing about this for a while now. Thanks!
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1) IMO, the PsyDs that are really worth looking into (university-based, at least partially funded also value research experience considerably, although not to the extent of research-heavy PhD programs. I'd also really recommend looking into balanced clinical and counseling psych PhD programs, as they can definitely carter to clinically-focused people. I knew several grad students in the balanced clinical PhD at my undergrad who chose not to do any research outside of their MA thesis and dissertation and really focused on clinical work instead, and the program seemed fine with that. Of course, you probably shouldn't lay out that idea in an interview or SOP, but clinically -focused people definitely do come out of balanced PhD programs as well as PsyD programs. Also, regardless of PhD/PsyD thing, research is--and should be a big part of psychology, especially at the doctoral level, so I think it would really benefit you in multiple ways to have at least some experience with psych research prior to applying to any programs.

2) A 3.1 may present a challenge at some programs, but it shouldn't rule you out totally, esp. with an upward trend. FWIW, one of my undergrad professors got into a funded, balanced clinical PhD program with a similar GPA, although he said several years of post-grad research experience (only one publication, though) and was wait listed first. It worked out well for him in the end, though.

3) This will vary by school and even person and year. In general, many (though not all) counseling psych PhD programs tend to be more welcoming to people with Master's degrees, although there's variance on both sides.

4) A LOT has been written on this forum about Argosy. Do a search, and you'll get all the opinions on this you want and then some. 😉

Good luck! :luck:

OK sorry, maybe a moderator can move this to the WAMC thread for me then? Thanks
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Moved! 🙂
 
Thank you so much! I appreciate the advice. Could you tell me a little more about how counseling psych phd is different besides being more focused on the practicing aspect? Also, I wasnt really asking about opinions on Argosy, more for examples of some of the lower down PsyD programs (university based) that might let someone like me in, but still has a decent reputation where it is still worth it to go.
 
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Thank you so much! I appreciate the advice. Could you tell me a little more about how counseling psych phd is different besides being more focused on the practicing aspect?
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Actually, not all counseling psych programs are more practice-focused--just as with clinical (and school) programs, there are definitely research-focused ones as well.
 
futureapppsy2 said:
Actually, not all counseling psych programs are more practice-focused--just as with clinical (and school) programs, there are definitely research-focused ones as well.
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so.... is there any difference at all? ive been googling for the last hour or so and havent found any solid information on the difference, except clinical might get employed in hospital settings where as counselors might not.
 
Ghostwriter574 said:
so.... is there any difference at all? ive been googling for the last hour or so and havent found any solid information on the difference, except clinical might get employed in hospital settings where as counselors might not.
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There's been a lot of blurring between the two fields in recent years. In the past, in general, clinical tended to focus more on actual pathology whereas counseling often chose to focus on working with "healthy" (i.e., non-pathological) individuals. This isn't always the case anymore.

I've heard that counseling programs often do still seem to have a different atmosphere than clinical programs, but that's just hearsay.
 
I hate asking so many questions but what do you mean by atmosphere? Also, in terms of employment after you get the degree, how do counseling and clinical differ? I keep reading what you guys are saying that it is getting blurred, but can a counsler do anything a clinical can do and vise versa? I also see that most counseling programs are in the college of education and not psychology, what effect does this have? Thanks for answers I appreciate it
 
Ghostwriter574 said:
I hate asking so many questions but what do you mean by atmosphere? Also, in terms of employment after you get the degree, how do counseling and clinical differ? I keep reading what you guys are saying that it is getting blurred, but can a counsler do anything a clinical can do and vise versa? I also see that most counseling programs are in the college of education and not psychology, what effect does this have? Thanks for answers I appreciate it
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By atmosphere I just mean the general "attitude" of the department as well as the approaches and philosophies of its faculty. This difference in counseling vs. clinical programs is likely at least in part an artifact of the formerly-greater divide between the focuses of the two degree types that was in place when these faculty were trained. Thus, I would imagine that some of it will dissipate as newer professors join the training team.

In terms of employment, as far as I know, both degrees can pursue the same opportunities, as both (again, as far as I know) are eligible for the same licensure. The biggest difference you'll likely see will come at the internship level, where there are some sites that prefer--or restrict applications to--applicants from one type of program or the other.
 
Hi guys,
I'm new to the forum but I feel you guys are very helpful.. So I was wondering if you guys can help me with my graduate process. I'll list my stats...

General GPA: 3.49
Psych GPA: 3.75
GRE Scores: Verbal 420, Math 650, Analy 3.5 (2nd time)
Verbal 330, Math 500, Analy 3.5 (1st time)
Experience: 2 quarters in different research experience

I graduated from a UC in 2010. I have a good CV list, though it could use more. I don't have any publish work. And my rec of letters are okay. I'm looking into PsyD Clinical Psych programs. I was interviewed at Chicago School of Professional Psychology and it went well. What I'm worried about is that I've been reading about the forum about other PsyD programs that are better. And I don't know if I should take another year to apply to them. I'm worried with the cost of CSPP and the accreditation as compared to other schools. I didn't apply to anything but CSPP. Should I wait another year and apply to better schools, university based PsyD programs? Do I even have a chance to get in to another? I know I should have done better research about the schools. But it's hard when you're thrown into it without any guidance. So can you guys please help me? Thank you so much!
 
I also wanted to add that I'm applying to the Chicago School of Professional Psych in Los Angeles. It costs about 1k per credit unit and the branch is fairly new, opened in 2008. So you can see my concern. And I'm not wealthy at all. So what should I do?
 
I was hoping for a little more input on my chances and what caliber schools I should be applying to...all of my information/"stats" are posted towards the top of thi page. I appreciate ANY and ALL input, thanks!!
 
isupsych253 said:
I was hoping for a little more input on my chances and what caliber schools I should be applying to...all of my information/"stats" are posted towards the top of thi page. I appreciate ANY and ALL input, thanks!!
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I would say overall your stats look pretty standard, as long as you make the general cutoff for GREs (usually 1200) you should be fine for the majority of PhD programs.

One thing I would question is if you have all that experience in forensics/corrections why you were trying to now go in to psych & sports, maybe something to mention in your SOP. Also, look in to some of the funded PsyD programs, they may offer you more clinical opportunities if that's what you really want to do but still have funding.
 
GreenAcademe said:
Well since I'll be running this rat race again this Fall I may as well toss my hat in this ring. 🙂 My stats are as follows:

So... Am I going in a good direction? Do I stand a better chance if I play the game differently this next time around? Any and all feedback much appreciated, in advance! 🙂
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Looks like you are well on your way. Sometimes applying is a crap shoot, your faculty of interest may not be accepting or just a better applicant is available that year. Your general stats and outlook seem compatible with a good PH.D program.
 
busybusybusy said:
I would say overall your stats look pretty standard, as long as you make the general cutoff for GREs (usually 1200) you should be fine for the majority of PhD programs.

One thing I would question is if you have all that experience in forensics/corrections why you were trying to now go in to psych & sports, maybe something to mention in your SOP. Also, look in to some of the funded PsyD programs, they may offer you more clinical opportunities if that's what you really want to do but still have funding.
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busybusybusy,

Thanks for the input. I am not strictly "set" on sports, it is just a possibility. Forensic psych is very much a possibility, I find it to be fascinating. I think I will end up going to a general clinical psych program and then decide if I would like some extensive training for a year or two afterwards. Or I may try to go to a program that offers forensic psychology training. Can you give me a list of some funded Psy.D programs? I have had a difficult time finding funded programs. Most of them will put you at $120k+ in debt by the time you are done!!
 
Thanks for your feedback! Haha, yeah... Crap-shoot seems to be a technical term on this forum. 😉

DynamicDidactic said:
Looks like you are well on your way. Sometimes applying is a crap shoot, your faculty of interest may not be accepting or just a better applicant is available that year. Your general stats and outlook seem compatible with a good PH.D program.
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isupsych253 said:
busybusybusy,

Thanks for the input. I am not strictly "set" on sports, it is just a possibility. Forensic psych is very much a possibility, I find it to be fascinating. I think I will end up going to a general clinical psych program and then decide if I would like some extensive training for a year or two afterwards. Or I may try to go to a program that offers forensic psychology training. Can you give me a list of some funded Psy.D programs? I have had a difficult time finding funded programs. Most of them will put you at $120k+ in debt by the time you are done!!
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Most of the funded programs are the more competitive ones, just so you know that, but with your stats I think you would be competitive. The ones I know of are IUP, Rutgers, Baylor and Indiana State; but I'm sure there are others. IUP is building up their forensic program right now so that might be some place to look if it's still an interest.

As far as the area of psych you go in to, I would just say make sure your SOP shows a clearly defined interest. This is especially important if you're going to go the PhD route, because POIs want to know that you are really interested in what their research is (because that's what's important to them) and you won't likely match to someone if they don't see the clear connection. That doesn't mean you can't have more than one area of interest in psychology, just make sure it's clear in your SOP how you would match that POI.
 
dokte said:
Not sure if this is covered elsewhere here but do schools look at the type of classes you take? Do they care that you took X class and not Y class?
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Largely, no. They'll look at your transcript, but likely not in too much detail. Certain classes might add something to your application for some positions (e.g., a developmental clinical prof might be happy to see an honours course on child development; a cognitive psychologist might be happy to see a computer science background; a clinical neuropsychologist might be happy to see a biology background or an honours neuroscience seminar)... But there are lots of things that matter more, and you're unlikely to be asked why you did or did not take specific classes.
 
Hello All,

This is my first time posting but I have been perusing the forum for some time! I'm having a mild panic attack because I took the GRE today and did not get the score I wanted. My undergrad was in Advertising and I have been working at a nonprofit for reproductive/sexual education the past 2 years. I am finishing up my Psych M.A. and want to attend a research focused Clinical Psych PhD program in the fall with an emphasis on human sexuality and the mind's response to sexual trauma. My long term goal would be to develop programs/therapeutic strategies for individuals (specifically children and teens) who have experienced sexual trauma.

Research: Interning as a Research Associate on NIH funded Contraceptive Clinical Trials (screening applicants, administering informed consents to study participants, data preparation, preparing reports for the CDC, etc.).

I also am a part of a research group focused on bully prevention/intervention strategies under the mentorship of one of my professors.

Publications: Two manuscripts (I am the 3rd author on one, and 4th on the other) on relational bullying that have been accepted to a peer reviewed international journal. (Dec. 2011 publication date)

Clinical: Volunteer weekly as a certified Crisis Intervention Counselor at a Suicide Hotline; Clinical Extern for a PhD/NCSP specialized in behavior therapy for children 2-18 with severe emotional problems (I assist in session with data collection, play therapy, assessment scoring, etc.); I also have received my Family Planning Health Education certification

Work Experience: Since obtaining my BA, I have been working in Human Resources for two years at an amazing organization extremely involved in Family Planning/Sex Education. Not sure if this should even be listed on apps? Would it help?

GPA: Undergrad was Advertising - 3.77 GPA. Currently finishing up a MA in Psychology - 4.0 GPA I'm a member of all the student groups/divisions (PsiChi, APA [Division 42], local chapters, etc.)

GRE: 1290 Quant - 670 Verbal - 620
I haven't received the score for the Analytical section yet.

My dream school would be USC because they have a dual PhD/MPH program that I feel would be applicable for my career interests - but my GRE seems a bit low for them. Should I only apply to mid level programs because of my GRE, or am I still a competitive applicant for top tier programs? Should I retake the GRE or leave as is?
 
Hello,

I've already posted in this before (about a year or so ago), but things have changed since then, so I would greatly appreciate any feedback or constructive criticism!


Numbers: From top 15 school, well known for the rigor of its classes and grade deflation
-Overall GPA: 3.56
-Major GPA (cognitive science): 3.7
-Had C's in "hard science" courses (Organic chem, physics), but aced almost all psych/neuroscience classes
-General GRE: 1500 (800Q, 700V, 5 Analytical), have not taken the psychology GRE (didn't realize it's offered only a few times a year)

Clinical Experience
-volunteered with Multiple Sclerosis patient for >2 years
-volunteered at behavior modification clinic with autistic children
-volunteered at local old person's home
Looking to get more volunteering done in some kind of mental health place

Research Experience
-1 year + 1 summer at neurology lab in college. It was interesting, but didn't get much out of it other than basic research experience, didn't keep in touch with PI either
-Co-authored on an oncology paper
-Been working as RA in a clinical cognitive neuroscience lab the past year+, recently became full-timed RA. Mostly run subjects & experiments independently, analyze/clean data, manage undergrads, train grad students in certain things, and other miscellaneous RA-type things; is fighting hard to get at least ONE paper published by the time I leave, but nothing right now. I have been trying to do some "data mining" (if you know what I mean), but haven't struck any gold. Is in the initial stages of working on a paper with other researchers in the lab [they know I'm trying to spit out some pubs for grad school and are nice enough to help me].

Recommendations
Will mostly come from my current lab, and I believe almost all of them will be very positive/glowing (the person I work with most closely has been saying repeatedly that I'm the best female RA she's ever had). PI is a well-known cognitive psychologist. Will also get a recommendation from the MS patient I've worked with, which I believe will also be very good since we've become friends and kept in touch since I graduated.


I'm looking at stipened PhD clinical psych programs, preferably with a neuropsychology track. Seeing how competitive this field is, I'm planning on applying to a range of schools of all "tiers". Geography is not important to me, since I'm planning on moving to whatever school accepts me.

Now, do I NEED to take the GRE psych? I was too stupid to not check the test dates and JUST missed the April 23 date, the next one isn't until October! As far as psychology coursework, I've taken a range of psych classes, pretty similar to a psych major. I'm only missing abnormal psych, which I'm actually taking this summer at the University I work at.

Lastly, how is my overall GPA, realistically? Is it going to keep me from getting my apps looked at? Or did I JUST made the cut-off? I also don't know how my GPA will play out, since it's kind of lop-sided. The reason why my major vs overall GPA differs so much is due to my pre-med classes. I didn't do HORRIBLE, but not great either. I pulled 2 C's and several B-'s and B's, all in non-psych related "hard science" areas (biology, chem, physics, o-chem). Also, my GPA has a very strong upward trend. My GPA for freshman & sophomore year was ~3.1, and my last 2 year GPA was ~3.8-3.9. Again, mostly owing to the fact that I took all my premed courses during my first 2 years and took mostly upper level psych & neurosci courses my last 2 years (although I did aced physics II during that time period as well for some reason). Anyways, sorry for the rant and long explanation, thanks for your comments!
 
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ynattirb- I'd suggest applying to a variety of programs, including some very competitive ones. Re: retaking the GRE... I'd say that depends on whether you think you can improve your score much. I think scoring about 1400 total would help, so if you're getting that on practice tests it may be worth taking again. An improvement of 10-30 points won't help much.

Good luck! It seems like you have interesting and well-developed research interests, and a good application in many ways.
 
thewesternsky said:
ynattirb- I'd suggest applying to a variety of programs, including some very competitive ones. Re: retaking the GRE... I'd say that depends on whether you think you can improve your score much. I think scoring about 1400 total would help, so if you're getting that on practice tests it may be worth taking again. An improvement of 10-30 points won't help much.

Good luck! It seems like you have interesting and well-developed research interests, and a good application in many ways.
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Thanks for the feedback! My biggest concern is that scoring below a 1300 (by 10 stupid points!) will put me in the automatic reject pile for some schools. I am confident in the rest of my application, and should get some stellar letters of recommendation. I am planning to take the PsychGRE in October. Since the general GRE is changing formats in August, I am thinking it might be more of a hindrance than a help to take it again (statistically scores plummit for several years after standaridezed exams are reformatted).
 
phillips101 said:
Hello,

Numbers: From top 15 school, well known for the rigor of its classes and grade deflation
-Overall GPA: 3.56
-Major GPA (cognitive science): 3.7
-Had C's in "hard science" courses (Organic chem, physics), but aced almost all psych/neuroscience classes
-General GRE: 1500 (800Q, 700V, 5 Analytical), have not taken the psychology GRE (didn't realize it's offered only a few times a year)

Clinical Experience
-volunteered with Multiple Sclerosis patient for >2 years
-volunteered at behavior modification clinic with autistic children
-volunteered at local old person's home
Looking to get more volunteering done in some kind of mental health place

Research Experience
-1 year + 1 summer at neurology lab in college. It was interesting, but didn't get much out of it other than basic research experience, didn't keep in touch with PI either
-Co-authored on an oncology paper
-Been working as RA in a clinical cognitive neuroscience lab the past year+, recently became full-timed RA. Mostly run subjects & experiments independently, analyze/clean data, manage undergrads, train grad students in certain things, and other miscellaneous RA-type things; is fighting hard to get at least ONE paper published by the time I leave, but nothing right now. I have been trying to do some "data mining" (if you know what I mean), but haven't struck any gold. Is in the initial stages of working on a paper with other researchers in the lab [they know I'm trying to spit out some pubs for grad school and are nice enough to help me].

Recommendations
Will mostly come from my current lab, and I believe almost all of them will be very positive/glowing (the person I work with most closely has been saying repeatedly that I'm the best female RA she's ever had). PI is a well-known cognitive psychologist. Will also get a recommendation from the MS patient I've worked with, which I believe will also be very good since we've become friends and kept in touch since I graduated.


I'm looking at stipened PhD clinical psych programs, preferably with a neuropsychology track. Seeing how competitive this field is, I'm planning on applying to a range of schools of all "tiers". Geography is not important to me, since I'm planning on moving to whatever school accepts me.

Now, do I NEED to take the GRE psych? I was too stupid to not check the test dates and JUST missed the April 23 date, the next one isn't until October! As far as psychology coursework, I've taken a range of psych classes, pretty similar to a psych major. I'm only missing abnormal psych, which I'm actually taking this summer at the University I work at.

Lastly, how is my overall GPA, realistically? Is it going to keep me from getting my apps looked at? Or did I JUST made the cut-off?
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I think your application so far looks pretty good, assuming you have good fit, etc, with the people and places you're applying. I don't think the GPA should hit you too hard. Your GPA/GRE should get you past all the cut offs (good job on the GRE, by the way!), and if they're looking at the app, I feel like people are pretty understanding of lower grades in the hard sciences, as long as your psych grades are all good, and like the upward trend. It's good you've taken a lot of psych classes, and the cognitive science major is a nice fit for a neuropsych track

In terms of the Psych GRE, I'd say it's necessary if a) you're not a psych major or need to prove you know your psych, or b) the schools you're applying to require it. You weren't a psych major, but you said you took a lot of psych classes, so as long as your transcript would show that (including a research methods and stats class), I think probably not necessary. That said, I had 2 sites that required the psych GRE back when I applied (oh, years ago now!). So, look around at schools and their requirements, and see how you'd feel if you couldn't apply to a place that required it. It's a doable test...you clearly test well, and it's just a matter of memorization. '

The one problem I actually see on your application is the letters of recommendation. I'd probably recommend getting 1 letter from a professor from your undergrad, assuming none of the people from the current job are also ones you worked with in undergrad. I know that's difficult if you've been out a couple of years, but you do want one to prove you can do academic work (I was also out a couple of years, and had 2 from that job, 1 from an undergrad). I'd also seriously question using the MS patient if you're applying to research-heavy clinical phd programs. That could go well, or it could SERIOUSLY backfire. It could make you seem very clinical, and it's just an odd thing that will make you stand out, but not necessarily in a good way. When people have clinical letters, which still are less preferable in funded phd programs than research/academic letters, it's a supervisor who can also speak to other qualities, not a client. I would think there would be potential ethical issues if I were to ask a client for a recommendation, for example, and I'm not sure if it might be looked at the same way, even if its a different situation. It could go well, but if I were you, it's too risky and I wouldn't do it.
 
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Hello All!
I am recently recovering from getting super rejected from my first attempt at applying to Clinical PhD programs so while I am inquiring about my chances, I am more interested in getting opinions/ feedback as to what I can do in order to improve my app and do better next time around (and hopefully get accepted somewhere!).

Background: I applied to 9 Clinical PhD programs (for 2011) mainly focused on anxiety/ stress related research. These ranged from uber competitive (ex: Boston U) to just regular competitive (ex: UN Reno) but no "safe" schools, no masters, or PsyD's. I am thinking this may be a problem that I applied to too competitive of programs based on my app strength. Maybe I was overly ambitious? So I will be revising my school/ program list this time around.

My Stats:
GPA: (From CSU/ State University)
- 3.4 overall, 3.8 psych, 3.7 last 2yrs
(Deans list last 2 yrs, graduated with Psi Chi honors, blah, blah)

GRE:
1st time- 550V, 620Q, 4.5AW
2nd time- 600V, 620Q, 4.5AW (and I studied mainly math and improved only my verbal. I don't get it either!)
Psych subject- 660 (I figured this wasn't amazing, but honestly didn't think it was important enough to retake)

*Should I try to make a 3rd attempt at improving my GRE scores before re-applying this Fall?

Past-Bac Work and Research Experience:
I did 1 year of RA as an undergrad at a psychiatry lab at an excellent school (a top UC)
After graduation I was hired full-time as a research associate in this same lab and now have a total of 4 years research experience (including the 1 yr undergrad). I have coordinated multiple studies and also work as fMRI operator on brain imaging studies. However, this is the only lab I have ever worked in, not sure if that is good or bad at this point.

Pubs:
co-author on 4 papers ( 2 published, 2 submitted for publication)
co-author on at least 5 poster presentations, but nothing as 1st author (This is generally reserved for grad students and higher up people in my lab and I really had to work to even be included on anything)

SOP: I was told by many that my SOP was fantastic and I did spend quite a bit of time and effort on it. I felt I was a good match for research at the school I applied to, and my focus is on research in general.

Letters:
1. Amazing from my boss/PI who is very well known and respected
2. Another amazing letter from a PhD early in career that I work with extensively on research projects
3. From a former professor that I had TA'd for, but I thought her letter was not great. She did know me well, but maybe just isn't a great writer? This person is also a lecturer and while has a PhD, has not been involved in research for many years.

Sorry, I am trying to keep this as brief as possible so people will actually read it and give me some feedback. But basically I applied to 9 schools with these stats and got ZERO interviews. I really thought I had a chance based on my experience, pubs, etc and had hoped that these would overshadow my blah gre/gpa.

*What did I do wrong?

*What should I focus on before re-applying this Fall?

Also, as a side note- I am looking into more Health Psych programs and am interested in either clinical health or non-clinical, with a research focus on stress/ anxiety so if anyone knows of any programs that I should look into, please let me know!!

Thank you to anyone who took the time to read all that! 🙂
~MMN
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Hi All,
Thanks to those who gave me feedback previously. Just wondering if anyone else had some input on what I could do to boost my application for the upcoming round.

Any opinions on if I really need to take the GRE again, or just apply to less competitive programs (is there such a thing?)? What scores are schools generally using as cut-offs? I was under the impression that over 1200 would be good enough for consideration, but maybe it is more like 1300 now?

Should I try to volunteer somewhere to get more clinical experiences?

I am just struggling trying to decide what to focus my efforts on over the next 5-6 months so any suggestions, advice, or opinions would be very much appreciated! Thanks!
 
psypsypsy said:
I think your application so far looks pretty good, assuming you have good fit, etc, with the people and places you're applying. I don't think the GPA should hit you too hard. Your GPA/GRE should get you past all the cut offs (good job on the GRE, by the way!), and if they're looking at the app, I feel like people are pretty understanding of lower grades in the hard sciences, as long as your psych grades are all good, and like the upward trend. It's good you've taken a lot of psych classes, and the cognitive science major is a nice fit for a neuropsych track

In terms of the Psych GRE, I'd say it's necessary if a) you're not a psych major or need to prove you know your psych, or b) the schools you're applying to require it. You weren't a psych major, but you said you took a lot of psych classes, so as long as your transcript would show that (including a research methods and stats class), I think probably not necessary. That said, I had 2 sites that required the psych GRE back when I applied (oh, years ago now!). So, look around at schools and their requirements, and see how you'd feel if you couldn't apply to a place that required it. It's a doable test...you clearly test well, and it's just a matter of memorization. '

The one problem I actually see on your application is the letters of recommendation. I'd probably recommend getting 1 letter from a professor from your undergrad, assuming none of the people from the current job are also ones you worked with in undergrad. I know that's difficult if you've been out a couple of years, but you do want one to prove you can do academic work (I was also out a couple of years, and had 2 from that job, 1 from an undergrad). I'd also seriously question using the MS patient if you're applying to research-heavy clinical phd programs. That could go well, or it could SERIOUSLY backfire. It could make you seem very clinical, and it's just an odd thing that will make you stand out, but not necessarily in a good way. When people have clinical letters, which still are less preferable in funded phd programs than research/academic letters, it's a supervisor who can also speak to other qualities, not a client. I would think there would be potential ethical issues if I were to ask a client for a recommendation, for example, and I'm not sure if it might be looked at the same way, even if its a different situation. It could go well, but if I were you, it's too risky and I wouldn't do it.
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Wow, thanks for bringing up the issue with a rec letter from the MS patient. I never thought of it as an ethics clash. She has actually become more of a friend, who I still visit, than just a volunteer patient. We're pretty close, so that's why I thought she'd be a good person to write about me. But I will definitely look into that and make sure it won't backfire as you mentioned.

I'm actually aiming for programs that are equally clinical AND research oriented. With that said though, one of my top choices right now is Northwestern and they're pretty research-focused it seems, as are all "big name" research Universities.

Thanks for the suggestion on the psych GRE, I'll definitely check to make sure my choices actually require them. Also, with your comment about getting a letter from a professor, I'm soon to be taking some courses from the University I work with (yay for free tuition!) so maybe I can get it from there? I was one of those students who did my work on my own and didn't go to office hours or anything, so it's going to be pretty awkward to ask for a letter from a guy who barely knows me from my undergrad.

One more thing (I promise)- in your opinion, does an applicant's previous research has to match with those labs he/she is applying for? I've worked in a neuroscience lab, a behavioral modification clinic, and is currently in "cognitive neuroscience" addictions (one is a lab-bench type, another is a human-subjects clinical type). They're pretty much all over the place, and I don't plan on going into addictions or behavioral mod at all. I'm pretty dead set on neuropsych, but obviously with this awesome economy, it's very hard to choose a lab in clinical neuropsychology AND get paid. Plus although the subject matter of my current lab is not something I'd pursue as a career, I'm going to continue working here until I matriculate.
If you have any more advice, please PM me! Thank you again!
 
Wow, after reading all the posts in this thread, I feel thoroughly discouraged about my future in psychology. I have had this dream of being a psychologist, but I'm 36, I did not major in psychology, I don't even remember my undergraduate GPA at this point, I have no research experience, no published papers, no nothing. Over the last couple years I have taken what I gathered were the requisite introductory psychology classes (and received all As), but it seems what I have to show is way too little. I haven't even decided on area of focus. I had been leaning toward clinical psychology, but that appears to be the most challenging to get into.

By way of background, I always did well in school and have no doubts about my ability to do the work or get acceptable GRE scores, etc. The problem is that I majored in theatre in undergrad and have been a professional actor for the past 14 years. I now have a wife and kid, however, and need to transition to a more practical career. That said, I love love love pysychology (almost as much as acting). This is not just an idle interest. I have been reading and studying on my own for the last 5 years or so. I just have no formal experience.

I have no specific question, but if anyone has any reaction, thoughts, or advice, I'd love some feedback. Thanks so much. What a great forum!

--Chris
 
Sillyboy22 said:
Wow, after reading all the posts in this thread, I feel thoroughly discouraged about my future in psychology. I have had this dream of being a psychologist, but I'm 36, I did not major in psychology, I don't even remember my undergraduate GPA at this point, I have no research experience, no published papers, no nothing. Over the last couple years I have taken what I gathered were the requisite introductory psychology classes (and received all As), but it seems what I have to show is way too little. I haven't even decided on area of focus. I had been leaning toward clinical psychology, but that appears to be the most challenging to get into.

By way of background, I always did well in school and have no doubts about my ability to do the work or get acceptable GRE scores, etc. The problem is that I majored in theatre in undergrad and have been a professional actor for the past 14 years. I now have a wife and kid, however, and need to transition to a more practical career. That said, I love love love pysychology (almost as much as acting). This is not just an idle interest. I have been reading and studying on my own for the last 5 years or so. I just have no formal experience.

I have no specific question, but if anyone has any reaction, thoughts, or advice, I'd love some feedback. Thanks so much. What a great forum!

--Chris
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If your goal is to get into a doctorate program in clinical psychology this could prove to be difficult for you. You sound like you are very motivated and I have no doubts that as you say you have the ability to do well in classes and on the GRE, but that being said I have not come across any doctoral program in clinical psychology that allows you to attend classes part time. Most doctoral programs require full time enrollment for around 5 years. I highly doubt that you would be able to have enough time with these studies to find a job to help support your family. That being said once you get more undergraduate psychology classes completed I would look into a masters program. You can take masters programs part time and you will still be able to practice as a therapist/counselor. If you go to a programs website it should say what classes are required for admittance into the school. Alot of schools dont actually require a psychology major as an undergraduate but only specific classes such as research methods and developmental psychology. I am sure other people on this site could give you more informed information than I about masters programs, and it will be hard for you given your situation but I wouldnt get too discouraged.
 
Hi everyone,
Another long-time lurker here. I finally have some GRE scores to my name, so I wanted to see if any of you had some thoughts about where I might stand?

B.A. with honors in psych, May 2011
overall GPA 3.56 / psych GPA 3.86
honors thesis (planning to submit for publication)
2 poster presentations (both were same thesis poster)
2 undergrad research fellowships

GRE
710 Q, 630 V
(just got it over with 2 days ago, so no writing score yet)
*my practice tests were pretty consistently 690 Q and 650 V. Would it be worth it to retake it again in a month to try bringing up verbal? Although I've never broken 700 before - definitely a fluke...
Will be taking the psych subject test in October


After being an RA for a while, I've been employed as lab manager for a large longitudinal study being conducted by a well-known researcher since the beginning of my senior year (August 2010). I'm still working there, but full-time now that I'm done with school. I'd ideally like to apply this coming cycle for a spot in a clinical PhD program for fall 2012, but I don't know if my application stats are strong enough yet. Could an honors thesis be enough? My thesis advisor and my boss have talked to me about continuing on with it by running more complex analyses, which would be great and could lead to a second publication from this project. Also I should throw in here somewhere that I have 3 great letters I can count on.

I'd love to hear any input anyone has to offer. Thanks for reading! 🙂
 
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Hi,

I am currenlty working on a double MS in Clinical Mental Health Counseling and School cousneling from FIU. I should gradduate on 2013. I know is two years from now but I am looking already into Ph.D/Psy.D programs in Miami.

So far I have a 4.0 on my MS. I will be studying for the NEW GRE this summer and taking it latest by September. I am also working this summer on some research.

Is having a MS better when applying for a Ph.D/Psy.D program? Do they put a lot of emphasis on your UNDERGRAD?

This are the schools that I am thinking about... NOVA (Psy.D).. UM (Ph.D in counseling)... and Barry.... I don't know much about Barry though....

Any comments/suggestions?
 
Sillyboy22 said:
By way of background, I always did well in school and have no doubts about my ability to do the work or get acceptable GRE scores, etc. The problem is that I majored in theatre in undergrad and have been a professional actor for the past 14 years. I now have a wife and kid, however, and need to transition to a more practical career. That said, I love love love pysychology (almost as much as acting). This is not just an idle interest. I have been reading and studying on my own for the last 5 years or so. I just have no formal experience.

--Chris
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Hi Chris, and welcome to the forum!

There are a couple people in my (funded, clinical PhD) program who are in their 30s/early 40s and had other careers before beginning the program. You've already had a good start by taking those psychology courses. I think the important things for you to realize are that 1) if you really do want to get into a PhD program in psychology, it *is* possible, but it will take some work, and 2) your next step should be to get research experience.

Research experience will serve two purposes for you. First, you'll learn some skills you'll use in graduate school and get letters of recommendation. Second, this will allow you to explore what research in psychology is like and will help you refine your research interests and possibly decide whether you want to pursue grad school in clinical or another area of psych.

Finally, I'm not sure about the financial realities of your situation, but it is difficult to support a family on a graduate student stipend, and you're unlikely to get into a program that's nearby... So you may need to move. If your wife works and your family is willing to move, however, it could work really well.

Good luck!
 
rabre001 said:
Any comments/suggestions?
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1. Take some time (a lot of time) to read through the forum, as your questions have been covered dozens of times before. A quick search will yield a plethora of results.

2. Your title may confuse people, "Graduate Student" may help people know at what stage you are in your career planning/training, etc.
 
Hey everybody! I am looking to get in to a PhD program in Clinical Psych with an emphasis in Health Psych (specifically sleep disorders). I applied to 5 programs last fall (SDSU/UCSD Joint Doctoral Program, UC Berkeley, UBC Vancouver, UW at Seattle, and UCLA) and was not admitted to any of them 🙁 I am feeling only slightly disheartened and plan on applying to at least 10 programs this time around. That being said... Here are my stats:

Undergrad:
Very small (4000 undergrads) private university (full merit-based scholarship) in Southern California with B.A. in Psychology and B.F.A. in Film Production. Completed in 4 years. Departmental Honors in Psych, summa cum laude. University Honors Program, Psi Chi.

50-page lit review senior thesis on my area of interest (sleep disorders) compiled over two semesters.

GPA:
Cumulative: 3.98
Psych: 4.0

GRE:
Quant: 710/72%
Verbal: 670/95%
Writing: 6/99%
Subject: 750/93%

Research:
Lab Manager at Health Decisions research lab for 1 year, and still conducting research on data collected. Should submit this paper for publication by August. I will be listed as 3rd author.

Presentations:
Western Regional Honors Conference, presented my senior thesis.
Author on a presentation that was presented at APS meeting in Boston.

Relevant Work Experience:
Psychology TA for undergrad - 2 years and ongoing.
Volunteer at suicide hotline - 6 months and ongoing.
Residential Behavioral Trainer at home for developmentally disabled adults - 6 months and ongoing.

My "angle" for my personal statement was about my film degree and how I plan to use the things I learned in this major for promoting outreach and developing novel strategies for reaching under-served populations. I think one thing that may have not done me any favors (at least for Berkeley, UCLA) is that I'm white, middle-class, and have not suffered any noteworthy hardship. But it's possible that I'm just being cynical. Sorry for the novel--any thoughts? Should I bother to apply to top-tier schools? Thanks for reading!
 
Darvius said:
Hey everybody! I am looking to get in to a PhD program in Clinical Psych with an emphasis in Health Psych (specifically sleep disorders). I applied to 5 programs last fall (SDSU/UCSD Joint Doctoral Program, UC Berkeley, UBC Vancouver, UW at Seattle, and UCLA) and was not admitted to any of them 🙁 I am feeling only slightly disheartened and plan on applying to at least 10 programs this time around. That being said... Here are my stats:

Undergrad:
Very small (4000 undergrads) private university (full merit-based scholarship) in Southern California with B.A. in Psychology and B.F.A. in Film Production. Completed in 4 years. Departmental Honors in Psych, summa cum laude. University Honors Program, Psi Chi.

50-page lit review senior thesis on my area of interest (sleep disorders) compiled over two semesters.

GPA:
Cumulative: 3.98
Psych: 4.0

GRE:
Quant: 710/72%
Verbal: 670/95%
Writing: 6/99%
Subject: 750/93%

Research:
Lab Manager at Health Decisions research lab for 1 year, and still conducting research on data collected. Should submit this paper for publication by August. I will be listed as 3rd author.

Presentations:
Western Regional Honors Conference, presented my senior thesis.
Author on a presentation that was presented at APS meeting in Boston.

Relevant Work Experience:
Psychology TA for undergrad - 2 years and ongoing.
Volunteer at suicide hotline - 6 months and ongoing.
Residential Behavioral Trainer at home for developmentally disabled adults - 6 months and ongoing.

My "angle" for my personal statement was about my film degree and how I plan to use the things I learned in this major for promoting outreach and developing novel strategies for reaching under-served populations. I think one thing that may have not done me any favors (at least for Berkeley, UCLA) is that I'm white, middle-class, and have not suffered any noteworthy hardship. But it's possible that I'm just being cynical. Sorry for the novel--any thoughts? Should I bother to apply to top-tier schools? Thanks for reading!
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Honestly, I'd say number 1 issue is that you applied to the top of the top schools in health psychology and only 5 of them. You need to be applying to more schools, and more of a range of schools, just in terms of the pure statistics of getting in. No one is a guaranteed in, and while you have experience, you don't have some amazing amount to be a shoe-in (and no one really has enough to do that anyway). It's about fit, fit fit, and honestly, playing a numbers game. I'd say you should be applying to a good 10-15 schools (and I know some would say more as well).

Your GPA is excellent, GRE is completely fine, so you're getting by on numbers. I'd say if you only have 1 year of real research experience now, that you were pretty low on research when you were applying this past year, and you're in a better position now.

The other thing to be careful about is your personal statement. It sounds interesting, but something like that could be controversial if not done well. Did your statement specifically talk about how this film piece working on underserved populations was related to research with specific professors focusing on sleep disorders? A big part of the personal statement is talking about how you fit in with the research that the specific researcher(s) you want to work with is doing (particularly at the places you named). While the film piece is interesting (and not having read it) I could see how a professor could look at it and not understand why you want to work with him/her, and how you fit into the lab exactly, if their research isn't in that vein (intervention, dissemination strategies is a whole separate area of research in some ways).
 
Hi,

I am currenlty working on a double MS in Clinical Mental Health Counseling and School cousneling from FIU. I should gradduate on 2013. I know is two years from now but I am looking already into Ph.D/Psy.D programs in Miami.

So far I have a 4.0 on my MS. I will be studying for the NEW GRE this summer and taking it latest by September. I am also working this summer on some research.

Is having a MS better when applying for a Ph.D/Psy.D program? Do they put a lot of emphasis on your UNDERGRAD?

This are the schools that I am thinking about... NOVA (Psy.D).. UM (Ph.D in counseling)... and Barry.... I don't know much about Barry though....

Any comments/suggestions?
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Moving to the WAMC (What are my chances?) thread.

I'd note that Barry's PhD program is in Counseling, NOT Counseling Psychology, which means that you wouldn't be prepared or eligible for licensure or practice as a psychologist after completing it.
 
Darvius said:
Hey everybody! I am looking to get in to a PhD program in Clinical Psych with an emphasis in Health Psych (specifically sleep disorders). I applied to 5 programs last fall (SDSU/UCSD Joint Doctoral Program, UC Berkeley, UBC Vancouver, UW at Seattle, and UCLA) and was not admitted to any of them 🙁 I am feeling only slightly disheartened and plan on applying to at least 10 programs this time around. That being said... Here are my stats:

Undergrad:
Very small (4000 undergrads) private university (full merit-based scholarship) in Southern California with B.A. in Psychology and B.F.A. in Film Production. Completed in 4 years. Departmental Honors in Psych, summa cum laude. University Honors Program, Psi Chi.

50-page lit review senior thesis on my area of interest (sleep disorders) compiled over two semesters.

GPA:
Cumulative: 3.98
Psych: 4.0

GRE:
Quant: 710/72%
Verbal: 670/95%
Writing: 6/99%
Subject: 750/93%

Research:
Lab Manager at Health Decisions research lab for 1 year, and still conducting research on data collected. Should submit this paper for publication by August. I will be listed as 3rd author.

Presentations:
Western Regional Honors Conference, presented my senior thesis.
Author on a presentation that was presented at APS meeting in Boston.

Relevant Work Experience:
Psychology TA for undergrad - 2 years and ongoing.
Volunteer at suicide hotline - 6 months and ongoing.
Residential Behavioral Trainer at home for developmentally disabled adults - 6 months and ongoing.

My "angle" for my personal statement was about my film degree and how I plan to use the things I learned in this major for promoting outreach and developing novel strategies for reaching under-served populations. I think one thing that may have not done me any favors (at least for Berkeley, UCLA) is that I'm white, middle-class, and have not suffered any noteworthy hardship. But it's possible that I'm just being cynical. Sorry for the novel--any thoughts? Should I bother to apply to top-tier schools? Thanks for reading!
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In general, your app seems strong--some more presentations and/or publications might be helpful but probably not mandatory. Unless you were applying to POIs who focus specifically on outreach issues in their research, I'm thinking your personal statement may have hurt you. Usually, personally statements are focused on your research experience and interests and really tying that into how that makes you an excellent fit with your POI's research, allowing you to collaborate and have a strong mentoring relationship that enhances both your work and education and provides something valuable to the POI's research agenda.
 
Hey guys,

I just took my GRE and I must say the scores are definitely raising a red flag for Verbal.

V-440
Q-700

GPA 3.6/4
Senior GPA - 3.88

I have a year of research experience as research assistant in a ADHD lab.

I am intending to do my phd in clinical psych.
Do you think I can get in to any prog? like SUNY buffalo?
 
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As you've mentioned, unfortunately, those scores are on the lower-end of the national average for clinical psych ph.d. students. That doesn't mean you won't get in, it just means that you'll have a bit of an uphill battle ahead of you.

However, with only a year of research experience, that could also work against you. Did you happen to get any publication and/or poster presentation credits?

Finally, it would likely make more sense to add this post to the "What are my chances?" thread, as it's dedicated entirely to questions of this type. I'm guessing moderator may move it there at some point.
 
I am looking forward to publish a paper, will that help greatly?
I was a law enforcement officer for 2 years? that helped too? I was handling all the mental cases.

Oh thanks for your advise. But I am just concern of my scores, should i Retake the old format of GRE?

Afterall, I was sick during the exam and i had to take a break to puke earlier.
 
Having a publication will definitely help, yes (although multiple factors come into play regarding how much it'll help--where you are on the author list, the respectability/notoriety of the journal, how related the subject area is to your area of interest, etc.). It may not be enough to overcome lower GRE scores and only having a year of research experience, but it would improve your chances. Having a high GPA could also help somewhat off-set the GRE score.

However, if you have the time to re-take the GRE, and you feel you can do better, I would definitely suggest it. Some schools may look only at your new score, some may average all of your scores, and some may take your highest score for each section regardless of administration; it all really depends on the program. Regardless, I don't know of many situations in which retaking the exam once and obtaining a higher score would actually hurt your application.

Professional experience in any non-mental health field is pretty hit-or-miss in terms of whether or not it'll help your chances. At some programs at might, and at others it won't be a factor at all. As an example, I worked in an emergency department taking many of the "mental cases" (may want to avoid calling them that on interviews and in personal statements, as there's a somewhat negative connotation attached to the term), and that wasn't ever brought up in any of my interviews.
 
I am considering a retake but the current format will be revamped soon!
most of the slots are fully booked too =(

I wonder what lies ahead of me. Do you suppose that a good fit with the adviser is the most critical component of admission?
 
Psychcs said:
I am considering a retake but the current format will be revamped soon!
most of the slots are fully booked too =(

I wonder what lies ahead of me. Do you suppose that a good fit with the adviser is the most critical component of admission?
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Once you get to the interview phase, then the fit with the advisor and program will really come into play. The first step, though, usually entails meeting some sort of departmental cut-off in terms of objective measures (i.e., GPA, GRE). Should your application make it past these cut-offs, then the letters of recommendation, your past clinical experiences (if any), and your research experience will start to factor in more heavily in determining whether or not you'll receive an interview offer.

That's speaking very generally, of course. The process can differ substantially between programs.
 
Not an admin, but moved to WAMC. 🙂

Psychcs, I think a concern for you would be getting weeded out by official or unofficial GRE cut-offs in the first round of application review--commonly these are cited as being around 1200-1250, ranging up about 1400 at some schools, although I'm sure if that has any empirical basis or just applicant folk tales. Your higher GRE Q should help (psych programs tend to be more concerned with Q over V), but your sub-1200 combined score could be an issue. Some strong, funded programs place less emphasis on the GRE (North Dakota and Oklahoma State come immediately to mind, although I'm sure there's others); however, you would still need a solid research match at those schools to be competitive. I'd definitely retake the GRE, especially seeing as you were sick the first time you took it.

As for the publication, it will be most helpful it is already accepted or published when you apply or less so if it is submitted/under review (although tht does at least indicate that it is finished). I don't know how much just having a publication in prep on your CV would help, as that could mean anything (I'd still put it on there at this stage but don't think it would be a big boost). Getting on conference posters and presentations will help, too.

As for your work in law enforcement--are your research interests related (e.g., forensic psych)?
 
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